v2, I'm pretty sure v3 does.
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:50 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject:
Tranzeo's newer atheros based radios do support 5/10/20 mhz.
Regards
Michael Baird
What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..?
On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports
smaller channels. Egads, another items for my
I think they call it cloaking
Mike Hammett wrote:
v2, I'm pretty sure v3 does.
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It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he
calls it channel cloaking.
Regards
Michael Baird
StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see that one coming...
On 7/1/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
WRAP/StarOSv2
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Josh
Do you have a calculator for signal levels? They are powerful tools.
Lets say that we have an AP putting out 20dB into an 8dB omni. That's 28dB
or roughly .6 watts. At the client end we'll use a 24dB grid with a 24dB
radio output (max allowed under the 3 for 1 rule) for 48dB or 60 watts.
Hi Martha,
I believe that they want the usage reported where it takes place. Not at
the billing address.
laters,
marlon
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Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA]
My calculator says, -75 at 15 miles from the AP with a 20db transmit, 8
db antenna, and 24 db on the RX side, leaves you with a fade margin of
-0.686 in perfect world conditions, not taking into account earth
curvature, fresnel zone incursions, weather, or tower height which will
all add loss,
That really depends Rick.
The down side to an omni is that it picks up noise from all directions. In
some places though, there isn't that much noise so it's no big deal.
They are also low gain so they don't hear the noise as well.
Here's a question for you. Which system will see more known
Fade margin is a factor of radio sensitivity. Not just a random number.
We are generally forced to ignore fresnel zone issues, customers won't put
up the 100' antennas it takes to do this perfectly I've been bitten by
this a few times, but only a handful are verifiable over the last 10 or
It must be a v3 thing. I've never seen such that option with v2.
-RickG
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Michael Bairdm...@tc3net.com wrote:
It does, in fact I'm pretty sure they were the first to have it, he
calls it channel cloaking.
Regards
Michael Baird
StarOS doesn't? Huh didn't see
Your question was my next one! I'm told that properly set up, sectors
should not see each other loud enough to hurt. I'm sure the
quad-sector tower I mentioned earlier in this thread can see the other
sectors. I cant tell because it has prism cards :(
Guess which tower is going to get the first
Though I'd pass this along. I have an NS2 I'm running as AP (Station
AP, Bridge) which has been running for almost two months. I upgraded
to the latest firmware, v3.4rc and then the release version when it
came out. The firmware that was in the unit when I got it (I think it
was v2.???)
3.4xx has problems in AP mode, connections will degrade over time. I'm
running 3.3.2 right now on all my UBNT AP's, it's stable, except for the
site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey) and the WPA
settings bug, which I know about and avoid.
Hit their forum's, they already have
except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey)
Are you sure that's a bug? How would an AP do a site survey while stay
associated? I know MT is not capable of this.
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When you
I agree with Josh if you are doing a site survey you will lose AP function.
You are changing the state of the radio.
Richard
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Hrm, maybe not, I thought I saw it was fixed somewhere, but I don't see
it in the firmware revision history.
Regards
Michael Baird
except for the site survey bug (everyone reassociates on site survey)
Are you sure that's a bug? How would an AP do a site survey while stay
associated?
Tranzeo gear supports 10mhz and 5mhz channels on their radios made in the
last 2 years. I am using them in 10mhz channels talking to a Mikrotik AP and
it works great!
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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Bucyrus, OH 44820
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From:
Sorry for highjacking the thread but I've got an NS2 I'm testing with
a customer that is in router mode. The customer was complaining the
connection keeps dropping out and I traced it back to DHCP. The NS2
logs showed it was continuously providing a new ip address to his
router. Once I swithed to
OpenWRT. :)
I refuse to run stock firmware on my wifi gear.
Roll my own image.
http://luci.freifunk-halle.net/ is very cool.
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If I have a bug and need a fix I like holding someone responsible, for
business.
Yeah that's great if they actually fix the bug in a timely manner.
I love being able to pick up the phone, or jump on IRC and have a dev
respond within hours.
Plus open source
I'm not sure that would offer total immunity from the manufacturer. I
know from rolling some of my own firmware for the NS that some
projects start with some code from the manufacturer's SDK and build
upon that.
I'm a bit surprised UBNT doesn't move a little faster on resolving
some of
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Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running
custom openwrt not a bad combination.
What? Is there a custom openwrt from Berkely that supports TDMA? Please
clarify.
WISPA Wants
Yeah they were, but never understood why they called it cloaking instead
of small channels. :-)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
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Sent: Wednesday,
Not outdoor rated but alot less expensive.
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5
http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=TP-SW5eq=Tp= eq=Tp=
Scott
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Behalf Of Michael Baird
Jayson Baker wrote:
Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running
custom openwrt not a bad combination.
What? Is there a custom openwrt from Berkely that supports TDMA?
Please clarify.
http://tier.cs.berkeley.edu/wiki/Wireless
So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with
Mikrotik (hopefully all cards?)
Tranzeo
Ubiquiti
But not..
StarOS
WARP
Josh Luthman
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When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be
Jayson Baker wrote:
Plus open source implementation of TDMA from Berkely + UBNT gear running
custom openwrt not a bad combination.
Actually
http://www.ab9il.net/wlan-projects/wifi1.html is a better page.
Just search for 279km wireless link
All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th gen
cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to 20MHz
wide channel. The 6th gen Atheros cards if set to 5/10MHz mode only listen to 5
or 10MHz.
/Eje
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What about Prism cards? How does one know the generation of card?
On 7/1/09, e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th
gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to
20MHz wide
What cards are 4th generation and which ones are 6th? How do you tell
which is which?
e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
All Atheros cards are capable of doing this. Just keep in mind that the 4th
gen cards even if they are set in 5/10MHz mode for broadcast still listen to
20MHz wide channel. The
Seem my previous post.
SR2/5/9 cards are 4th
XR2/5/9 are 6th
CM9 4th
NMP8602 6th
What I recall of top of my head.
/Eje
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From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:37:48
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Sheeesh! Keep us posted.. I had no issue with the 3.1.1 firmware
but that 3.3 was a nightmare. Took all the Ubiquiti radios to the 3.3,
well, at least I TRIED, they seemed to lock up all the time while
configuring and I had to TFTP one of the PowerStation2's just to bring it
back to
That unit looks to be only 802.3af, but we have all of passive PoE devices
that are not 802.3af compliant, so it wouldn't work.
Would love a StarOS / Mikrotik version of this...
Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found
a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on
the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can
be made to work?
If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work?
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It's not managed either, I want to be able to use the ethernet/poe
switch to recycle AP's like a PDU.
Regards
Michael Baird
That unit looks to be only 802.3af, but we have all of passive PoE devices
that are not 802.3af compliant, so it wouldn't work.
Would love a StarOS / Mikrotik version
Josh Luthman wrote:
So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with
But not..
StarOS
WARP
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
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Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not
V2, only V3 .
V3 is the
So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz
channels.
That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty
again, unless anyone else has something.
No one say smartbridge =P
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as
older tranzeo.
Brian
Josh Luthman wrote:
So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz
channels.
That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty
again, unless anyone else
I'd upgrade, and start there. If I remember right, there were a lot of
routing changes in 3.x.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote:
I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found
a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as
Is it possible to do a virtual ap in Mikrotik that uses the smaller
channels so I can put new subs on that?
Brian
Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Tranzeo gear supports 10mhz and 5mhz channels on their radios made in the
last 2 years. I am using them in 10mhz channels talking to a Mikrotik AP and
A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something
else, it will have to have an IP to communicate!
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Link
Yep, that is what I said in the original post.
Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation.
Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does
the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x?
I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other
Deliberant 2.4 gear supports 5/10/20 mhz channel widths.
Demarc supports it on their mini-pci cards, I would suppose they support
it on their AP/CPE's also.
Yes, older non-atheros tranzeo's don't support it, lots of old gear
doesn't support 802.11g either.
Regards
Michael Baird
I have a lot
Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the
physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap.
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Nothing associated on the Virtual.
The propagation was back out via the wire interface.
I would not think it should matter if anything is connected. The
interface is active, it has an address. That address range should be
propagated by OSPF. I will be at the site tomorrow. I will connect to
If nothing was associated to the virtual AP then I'm thinking Dennis' idea
is right - it has no reason to propagate information to an interface that is
unplugged.
Josh Luthman
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When you have eliminated the
Maybe. I will definitely try tomorrow at the site.
I just tried on a wired interface that has nothing connected. Rather
interesting. If the interface is enabled, it immediately propagates the
route. If it is disabled when the address is moved it does not
propagate. Leads me to believe when
It was all Dennis :)
On 7/1/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
Maybe. I will definitely try tomorrow at the site.
I just tried on a wired interface that has nothing connected. Rather
interesting. If the interface is enabled, it immediately propagates the
route. If it is
I don't know about those, but Frontbridge got blacklisted once and they
are an anti-spam provider
John
George Rogato wrote:
How come Google, Yahoo, and Live.com don't get black listed.
I'm pretty sure 1 million times more spam comes out of those domains
than any small independent isp's
http://www.mxlogic.com/services/email-filtering/index.cfm
they have done good by us.
John
George Rogato wrote:
Wonder how much it is.
Says it's based on qty of email addresses.
RickG wrote:
Cost?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Pat O'Connorp...@inlandnet.com wrote:
We're
Please show me where to setup 5/10 mhz channels on these five
radios..
2 of these don't even do G, so if they do 5 mhz channels, that is news
to me.
Deliberant 2100
Deliberant 2500
Demarc RWB-MCPE
Demarc RWO Plus
Demarc RWO Plus HPG
Brian
Michael Baird wrote:
Deliberant 2.4 gear
If they are Atheros chipset based and don't do G then they are 2nd gen or older
Atheros chip set radios and can not do it. 5/10Mhz option is first available
with 4th gen Atheros chip set and not a option on any radio that don't do G
because the signaling using is G based in 5/10MHz mode.
/Eje
Current gear, plenty of old stuff doesn't support it, as I mentioned in
the post you are responding to.
Regards
Michael Baird
Please show me where to setup 5/10 mhz channels on these five radios..
2 of these don't even do G, so if they do 5 mhz channels, that is news
to me.
Deliberant
With more strings than an orchestra!
-RickG
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Same IP. Rather than cause the customer issues, I went for the sure
thing and bridged it. I'll bench test another unit and see how it
does.
-RickG
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
The DHCP provided by the NS2 was providing different IPs?
I couldn't
Ubiquiti's OS is supposed to be good stuff. I do like the look feel.
For support, warranty, and other reasons, you really should stick with
what comes on the box. -RickG
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Charles Wyblechar...@thewybles.com wrote:
OpenWRT. :)
I refuse to run stock firmware on my
I also wish they would move faster on RMA's! Their return process is
not very good and you cant reach them by phone. -RickG
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:31 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure that would offer total immunity from the manufacturer. I
know from rolling some of my own firmware
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