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PPPoE we have found to be very difficult working with different routers
that customer bring to the table to connect up. We use MT with radius
before with PPPoE and some work and then some wouldn't. It was just a
pain.
We are looking to provide Public IP via DHCP, the options is does MT does
this
They created a great system. Maintenance is another matter. I'm aware
of what its like being a small player where the big companies are trying
to squash you to protect their turf. But you are making a living,
meager though it may be. Until you become a CLEC, your access will be
expensive.
Sure
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] DHCP options
Oh, hell yes, Brother-man! This is looking good. Can you then block
Okay, okay. A good description of people unhappy with the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:15 PM
To:
I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the dollar is
"worth less" to the rest of the world? If it will still buy groceries,
or pay my power bill, why does it matter?
Travis
Microserv
RickG wrote:
"put some money in the bank"
The question is: which currency?
With the dollar
Where does the processed goods get the material from?
China, then US, then you. The US has to pay more for the China
products which means you do too. It's a global economy, not a
national.
On 10/9/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
I've never understood this thinking... who cares if the
Just keep in mind that in exchange for the governmental help, these
utilities were made into monopolies. If you look at pictures of the streets
of a large city from the turn of the century you'd see masses of wires
everywhere from the multiple phone companies and electric providers. A
business
Foreign goods (such as chips in our radios) will go up in dollar price.
Even food, natural gas, etc. can go up as those are priced on a global
market basis. If one Chinese yuan (or whatever they use) can buy two
bushels of wheat where it used to buy one, they can bid the price up on
wheat
Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly affect any individual
consumer, but it does impact nearly every manufacturer. Cost of production
increases greatly. The only way they can make money is to increase their
prices to distributors who in turn have to raise the price to
Yes. What he said
-Jeff Ehman
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:37 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] American Dollar. Was: Re: Barriers to WISP growth
If the dollar is worth less, all the equipment we get from China,
Israel, Phillipines, Latvia, Thailand, etc.., will go up in price,
making our job harder. It will help US manufacturers, but we probably
don't use many of them. A weaker dollar could help make us more self
sufficient, but it's
We have a winner! We were discussing this very thing a month or so ago in a
different thread looking for ways to discover and block. and now here
it is. I'll be looking into this animal further. Thanks.
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
I believe in that instance the CPE does a dhcp relay or sorts. In my
experiences Alvarion equipment doesn't do dhcp relay. It simply bridges the
wireless interface straight to the Ethernet interface. There are some
filters that can be enabled between the two, but very little is done to
separate
I'm with you on that. If I'm not traveling to Europe I don't much care what
the exchange rate is. Aside from impacting imports, it doesn't immediately
impact the staples in my life. The power company, grocery store and the
like also have to operate on the dollar so we're all in the same boat.
I like what you said, the magic bad word:
INFLATION
I see the government is already planning more stimulus to hold that off
longer - which we (should) know will only make it worse when it gets here.
So what do we do with our dollars? As much as I don't like debt, there
is a good argument
It doesn't matter where it comes from. If I can use a $5 bill to buy
two loaves of bread at Walmart, who cares what it will buy in China?
Travis
Microserv
Josh Luthman wrote:
Where does the processed goods get the material from?
China, then US, then you. The US has to pay more for the
I understand that so instead of bread costing $2.00 per loaf, it
goes up to $2.10.
So because of that fear, everyone wants to find a different place to
put money besides a bank? Seems strange to me.
Travis
Microserv
Jeff Ehman wrote:
Imports cost us way more money. That may not directly
5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship.
Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll.
If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have
The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase...
Don't know if you do your own grocery shopping You may not have noticed
that in the last 12-18 months all costs food items etc have gone up by a
double digit %.
In the US, we all have been living the good life, ask
According to an article I read a couple days ago, our GDP if measured in
Euros is off by 25%! That is the effect of devaluing our currency. That
WILL have long-term effects on our standard of living and our place in the
world.
Jeff
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Sorry, here is the article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574458923186941870.ht
ml?mod=wsj
The Weak-Dollar Threat to Prosperity
Measured in euros, U.S. per capita GDP is down 25% since 2000.
By DAVID MALPASS
If you want to know why the dollar has been falling this week
Your on to something here, we are going to look into this. I totally
forgot the Alvarion units show what MAC are going through them...
Genius!
-Cameron
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
Sent: Friday, October
Payroll won't cost me a dime more... I decide that.
Travis
Microserv
Josh Luthman wrote:
5% increase of costs don't stop at just bread. It costs 5% more to ship.
Your WISP gear. Gas and truck. Payroll.
If it costs more to get into the US it costs more to get to you.
Josh Luthman
I am not seeing that in this area... at all.
Milk is $1.89 per gallon. A year ago milk was $2.90 a gallon.
Gas is now $2.45 per gallon. A year ago gas was $3.25 a gallon.
Travis
Microserv
Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
The fear is not 5% increase, the fear is about a 50% or 200% increase...
You disagree with us, that's fine. Let's stop wasting time arguing about it
as neither side will change their opinion.
What other barriers to WISP growth are there?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the
I'm trying hard to stay out of it but
It's just a sign of getting old, guys. I remember when gas was 32
cents. etc.
The purchasing power of a dollar has decreased since essentially day one.
For example, today's one dollar was worth $7.25 in 1960. 1950 is was worth
$8.94, 1940 it was
Yea but what does it mean for us? Everything I have seen makes this look like
the FCC is only interested in the cell carriers. Maybe a trade can be done, some
existing cellular spectrum is given over in exchange for the new spectrum? Id
kill to have some cellular spectrum.
I talked to US Cellular once about 5 years ago. IIRC their fee was $2000 +
$750/antenna and you have to rent ground space from the land owner ($1800/mo)
for 10x10.
Cameron Kilton wrote:
I was interested in a Verizon Wireless tower, than they tell me there is
a non-refundable $2500 application
Run away and run away quickly.
I was down this route not long ago and gave it up. The costs were way too
high for little ol' me. I couldn't justify the cost. Sitting down with the
entire picture laid out to me by the red tape of Crown Castle, it came out
to be cheaper to install my own
I'll pass, I'm not giving Verizon any more money for anything.
-Cameron
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless
I wanted to point out that we have an allie WISP and friend running for
ARIN's Advisory board.
He is... Mark Bayliss, Visual Link Internet
(also known from Virginia ISP association)
Please offer your support and vote, if you have an AS and eligible to vote.
Why is IP space so expensive?
Okay We were given a spectrum that was basically being used for short
distance cordless telephones and have turned it into long distance, 2-way
communications with the world. All with a lousy 3 channels (2.4) They gave
this spectrum away because it was basically trash to them. (Or us,
Agreed. At first I was told it was that the IP's were getting scare but the
IPV6 addresses aren't much cheaper. Lies, all lies.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:37 AM
That's kind of an irrelevant comparison. As Travis says, if we produce
$10 trillion in GDP, it's still $10 trillion in GDP whether you also
measure it in kopecks or euros or whatever. Just doesn't matter at
that level.
Where it does matter is, a cheaper dollar makes our exports more
On Oct 9, 2009, at 9:39 AM, jp wrote:
If the dollar is worth less, all the equipment we get from China,
Israel, Phillipines, Latvia, Thailand, etc.., will go up in price,
That isn't really true since the biggest of those is China and they
peg to the dollar in a very narrow band. There is a
On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Robert West wrote:
It will never, stay worth what it is today. As long as there are
people out
there looking to make a little extra cash, it will always creep up.
It's
the nature of free enterprise.
There have been times when the dollar's value has gone
I want to offer mobile and fixed broadband via WiMAX. I am having trouble
getting access to quality spectrum. I have cash in hand ready to buy
equipment TODAY. I have towers. I have potential customers. I have excess
bandwidth capacity ready to roll. SPECTRUM...SPECTRUM...SPECTRUM. I hope
that is
I can certainly respect your pay-as-you-grow approach. So how many
employees do you have Marco?
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Thursday, October
Interesting. What would be your holy grail spectrum and how much? And
yet, you still chose to become a WISP and you have been at it for years
Gino. So what keeps you going? Surely you have optimism or else you'd
have sold out by now?
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
700 MHz is not the panacea some might think. Technically, it is a
nightmare for bi-directional services.
Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday,
What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start
talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities
based on the dollar. Then it's a whole new ball game and who knows who
will set the standard. We have an artificial advantage with the
dollar, and if that
Yep, very true.
How come we never use the Chat list for these discussions? ;-)
Chuck
On Oct 9, 2009, at 12:29 PM, Randy Cosby wrote:
What gets scary is when countries like China and Saudi Arabia start
talking about not pegging to the dollar, or even selling commodities
based on the dollar.
Mike,
While foolish of me to get political, I'd argue that the greatest
entitlements in this country these days are extended to big business,
either through subsidy, shielding from accountability, protection from
competition, bailing out with no or few strings (direct and literal
transfer of our
Here's a letter that the WISPA Board received and that WISPA Members
(and future Members) may be interested in either learning from or
posting WISP success stories to.
jack
Original Message
Subject:
FW: National Inventory of Broadband Projects Website
For us it's mostly time and money. Which in the end means money.
The gear is affordable. It's working well these days. Reliability is, over
all, way up from 5 or 6 years ago.
We could expand into more areas, but the costs to get INTO them are too high
for the number of customers there.
I also see that Ubiquiti is moving away from the open source of their
products. The AirMax isn't compatible with any other gear if running that
feature and the firmware isn't open source for the new products. It didn't
take them long to jump on that train.
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From:
However, should the subscriber cascade NATs, then the DHCP server will see
the MAC only of the first. If it then feeds another Wi-Fi router, you
will not be able to use the MAC found with NetStumbler to trace it.
If, however, an AP is connected to your service and is open, even if
cascaded, you
Don't forget the fact that oil is priced by the US dollar per barrel. When
the dollar gets weak the whole world notices because the price of oil goes
up. While the other countries don't get affected quite so much because of
the exchange rate equalizing out, we as Americans pay the increase in
Brian,
Oil is priced on the USD today. It will not be in a few months judging by
the news. Then we're boned.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be
They should price it based on the Hungarian Pengo. I'd be happy with that.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:27 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
Try T-Mobile at $4500 here.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:33 AM
To:
Ya it's hard to believe a $40k yearly salary in this country is a $20k
yearly salary in Euro's. Sad times. We'll have stories to tell when
we're old :)
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, October
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Sorry all for those emails. Having some troubles today. Darn Friday
afternoons...
-Jeff
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I only got one per original email Jeff.
Jeff
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Apologies
Sorry all for those emails. Having
How is that legal!? And does apply to all antennas or to towers? And how do they
define a tower?
plants face on desk
Tim Sylvester wrote:
In Santa Cruz County California, it can cost $25K to go through the
permitting process to install an antenna. The County charges $6,000 for a
use permit
Thanks for reminding me, once again, why we moved up here from the Bay Area
:-)
Tom S.
Vancouver, WA
- Original Message -
From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon
Same.
On 10/9/09, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net wrote:
I only got one per original email Jeff.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
I just cannot keep quiet on this any more.
Gold, in US Dollars, was $1045 and change this morning. That sounds
high, but it was higher, in constant currency terms when you look at a
basket of currencies.
Yes, oil still is priced in nice U.S. Dollars, and everyone is glad to
have them.
So
Behold, the new $3 Dollar bill!
*
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*Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
On Fri,
That brings up an interesting factor.
China is completely stuck with us as long as the dollar is cheap. They
bought them when the dollar was dear (over time of course, and with a
sliding range of values) but if they even started to unload now, not
only would they take a huge hit compared to
And then you charge the end user / customer 40 bucks a month. Right?
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim Sylvester
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Wireless
Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday.
We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning
and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I
have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac
wireless.
Brian,
Are you talking about Pac Wireless proper or a Pac Wireless distributor?
What equipment are you lacking? Maybe someone here can help fill the
equipment holes if it doesn't show up.
I watched that video, shsh! I have one really wobbly grain leg I use
that is only half that high, I
Oh, forgot.. Be careful stacking that steel with only a one day cure
unless you're using a good mix! We don't need another accident!
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Friday, October 09,
What is the trick to making a pair of R52Ns talk to each other using
half or quarter channels? I have no problem with the XR2s. I can
have them talking at 20 MHz, and when I turn on half channel they
don't register. 4.0rc1 (as of last night) :-)
Mike
Roc Noc just west of Chicago came through for me on a Saturday. Not sure
what it is you need exactly. Thanks again, Tom!!!
Good luck and be safe.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which
There is an issue about not choosing the correct channel it wants to look
at. Try selecting a different channel and / or putting what you put on the
bridge or ap in the other side scan list.
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Mike
If you keep wireless in perspective, 13.10.660 (e) (10) exempts you from
13.10.660 through 13.10.668, inclusive, and the 30 page app. As far as
Tom's county, they have the same type of requirements except it only
applies to licensed freq's not unlicensed.
Frank
Tim Sylvester wrote:
In Santa
I didn't apply for two main reasons.
1: they want the whole company and don't tell you when (if ever) you'll get
it back.
2: My areas are already covered better than what's allowed under the grants.
We've done a good job in the past and our reward is government funded
potential competition,
Section 13.10.660 (3) (10) talks about: Small scale, low powered,
short-range wireless internet transmitter/receivers (e.g., Wi-Fi
hotspots).
Would that include WiMAX?
Tim
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Frank
Scott: Can you elaborate on the issue? I can't seem to be able to
make them associate at either 1/2 or 1/4 channel. Strong signals
when I establish a link with 20 MHz. I tried putting the MAC of the
AP in the access list, or is that what you meant?
Mike
At 06:41 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
Anyone remember how licenses were handed out for UHF or VHF two way systems?
Any reason a guy can't use that mechanism again?
I don't know how much spectrum was available per channel. If it were even
500khz that's enough to move a lot of data these days.
marlon
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Try 12.5 kHz. Channel size
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:31:16
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Barriers to WISP growth
Anyone remember how licenses were
The UHF business band is STILL very busy. It occupies 450 -470
MHz. Small town comms and most towns without a trunking system still
use UHF. Oh yeah, it propagates very well too.
Mike
At 08:31 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote:
Anyone remember how licenses were handed out for UHF or VHF two way
Most of the ordnances that I have researched go out of there way to
provide definitions for the terms that someone has deemed appropriate,
with that said, there are no definitions for small scale, low powered,
or short-range, compared to other wireless like cellular I'm inclined to
include
I've seen this with R5H cards under 3.28. Didn't have a whole lot of
time to troubleshoot, ended up putting it in to production with a
20mhz channel.
On 10/9/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
Scott: Can you elaborate on the issue? I can't seem to be able to
make them associate at either 1/2 or
Let's not forget that 49% of Verizon Wireless is Vodafone, a foreign
company.
T-Mobile is German.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009
I'd imagine the 1 GHz spectrum would be best if we can get power. Decent
propagation and small enough antennas for frequency reuse.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Patrick Leary
Hi All, I'm going to cross post this because I think it relates closely to
work we're either in the middle of or about to tackle
To toss in a little note here. For the record I'm conservative, actually
more of a constitutionalist I'd guess. I think the founding fathers were
99.9% right.
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