Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Blair Davis
I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. CPE to AP is PtP. AP to CPE is PtMP. This was prior to "smart AP's" and the AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. RickG wrote: Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM,

[WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access

2010-06-25 Thread Stuart Pierce
Anyone ? Nike-95 8890 Factory Shops Blvd, Bld 8 - Twr 4 Jeffersonville, OH 43128 Might get some free shoes. Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net

[WISPA] Alvarion Trango for sale

2010-06-25 Thread Cameron Kilton
I have: (1) Trango 5830 AP $150 (1) Trango 5830-ext AP $150 (1) Alvarion AU-VL-5.8 $700 (1) Alvarion SU-E-54-5.8BD-VL $350 (1) Rev B Alvarion B28 BU and RB $600 Make an offer offlist. I'll cover ground shipping costs within the US. -- Thanks Cameron

Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
Covered by County Connections, WISPA member. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access Anyone ?

Re: [WISPA] Wierd StarOS/OLSR - Ubiquity RocketM5 bridge - Cisco issue

2010-06-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Add in some packet sniffing time on the VLAN and watch OLSRs updates, it should tell you what is causing the issue. On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Turn off extra reporting on the Ubiquities. Regards Michael Baird Sounds like Cisco / Vlan is giving you

Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
Sorry Country Connections. Left out a letter. :) http://countryconnections.net/ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:28 AM To: spie...@avolve.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access

2010-06-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
funny - I just emailed him the same thing :-) Thanks Bob On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Robert West wrote: Covered by County Connections, WISPA member. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
But did you spell it wrong? I win! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access funny - I just

Re: [WISPA] Jeffersonville, Ohio Internet Access

2010-06-25 Thread Glenn Kelley
ROFL On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Robert West wrote: But did you spell it wrong? I win! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth stations required licenses in the days before DBS.

[WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 30, Issue 27

2010-06-25 Thread dave
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Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'm not aware of any AP 120 deg or less beamwidth rule. I personally feel it is still a grey area what a PTP link is. It was not so grey before when Certified Systems was a big thing. When everything was a Certified System software had to be shown to only allow one radio to connect to it. When

[WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Alan Bryant
We are in the process of redesigning our entire network from our upstream all the way to the customer. Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network. Obviously we are wanting to change this for many reasons. Subnetting it out on the private side isn't a problem, but the public

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Josh Luthman
If you're getting your IPs from ARIN and are running out, clearly you can justify another block. Is there not enough time for this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Alan Bryant
We do not have them from ARIN, but we are in the process of getting more from our upstream. ARIN will not give us any until we are multi-homed or have at least a /20 I think they said. Anyway, we haven't run out yet, I'm just trying to get an idea and plan for what we will do if we run out on a

Re: [WISPA] Authoritative BIND issues

2010-06-25 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 And now upgrade ;) http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-4022 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-0097 It will never end with BIND - MUUUuuhahahahaha! pls see below for additional comments. On

Re: [WISPA] Authoritative BIND issues

2010-06-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I dumped the VM, started from scratch using webmin to build everything and we came out well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/25/2010 4:27 PM, Bradley D. Thornton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 And now upgrade ;)

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 6/25/2010 2:21 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: We do not have them from ARIN, but we are in the process of getting more from our upstream. ARIN will not give us any until we are multi-homed or have at least a /20 I think they said. Getting new

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Mike Hammett
That's where PPPoE (dhcp probably would as well) and extra addresses come in. When a tower runs out of a subnet, you can just add another subnet, or move to a larger one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/25/2010 4:21 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: We do

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Travis Johnson
It's not that easy anymore. Seven years ago when we applied to get our first ARIN block, it took about 2-3 days and some paperwork. We got a /18 without too much trouble. A year ago, we started the process to get another block. This took over a month, with over 30 emails back and forth, and

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 6/25/2010 2:08 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: We are in the process of redesigning our entire network from our upstream all the way to the customer. Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network. I'm not quite understanding.

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 6/25/2010 2:43 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: It's not that easy anymore. Seven years ago when we applied to get our first ARIN block, it took about 2-3 days and some paperwork. We got a /18 without too much trouble. A year ago, we

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I think you mean Ford? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IP_address_blocks Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Travis Johnson
Dang... I thought I was losing my mind, because your list didn't include MB. However, after doing a search I found this... http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/02/13/where-did-all-the-ip-numbers-go-the-us-department-of-defense-has-them/ Mercedes actually goes by Cap debis css. I knew MB had a /8,

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Cap Debis CCS (Mercedes-Benz) CCS not CSS you computer person you =P Clearly some of them are real dicks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ---

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 r...@condor:~# whois 53.0.0.0 OrgName:cap debis ccs OrgID: CDC-6 Address:RRZ-S/K Address: c/o Mercedes Benz AG Address: Postfach 6002 02 Address: Mercedestr. 136 Address: 7000 Stuttgart 60 City: StateProv:

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Alan Bryant
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Bradley D. Thornton brad...@northtech.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network. I'm not quite understanding. That's not the most efficient - I realize it is not the most

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Mike Hammett
I think it's more alarming that Interop has a /8. Something that's only open 4 times a year needs 16 million IPs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/25/2010 5:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think you mean Ford?

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Josh Luthman
It's like Motorola with Canopy. Bureaucracy creates a lot of overhead :/ On 6/25/10, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I think it's more alarming that Interop has a /8. Something that's only open 4 times a year needs 16 million IPs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Philip Dorr
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Alan Bryant a...@gtekcommunications.com wrote: As public IP addresses are limited and at times hard to come by, we are trying to use them as efficiently as possbile, however, we basically have a /24, 2 /22's, and a /23 allocated to us right now. I have decided

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Travis Johnson
Just in case a DHCP server goes crazy at the show... You can never be too careful you know... Travis Mike Hammett wrote: I think it's more alarming that Interop has a /8. Something that's only open 4 times a year needs 16 million IPs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-25 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/21/2010 11:46 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: ..From Wili Mesh Website... Look at the Supported Platform.. these are pretty much most of the SBC Mfg. that make a multi radio board for use in outdoor AP. At first Wili looked good. But I read some of its forum postings and learned about its limits.

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Stuart Pierce
They were discussing the 120* rule at the WISPCON in your neck of the woods, where you brought in bandwidth to the Pony Express lounge hotel. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-25 Thread Rubens Kuhl
OpenWRT and OLSR or BATMAN on a Routerboard or Ubiquiti CPU platform may be ideal, but I need to learn more about OLSR and BATMAN in practice.  BATMAN seems to be a distance-vector algorithm, like, uh, DECNET 3 and 4 and IGRP, while OLSR is link state, like OSPF.  I am partial to link state.  

Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?

2010-06-25 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 6/25/2010 10:45 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: OpenWRT and OLSR or BATMAN on a Routerboard or Ubiquiti CPU platform may be ideal, but I need to learn more about OLSR and BATMAN in practice. BATMAN seems to be a distance-vector algorithm, like, uh, DECNET 3 and 4 and IGRP, while OLSR is link

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
I suspect it's all by design. Much like how easy it is to defeat the kill switch on lawn mowers, the seat belt alarm in automobiles, etc.Most manufacturers have the Use Local Regulatory Domain check box. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has ran outside the legal limits if only for a little bit

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
Dude, your vernacular is getting me a bit excited. Not cool. Time for a shower. Sheeesh! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Robert West
You mean like hacking a router to pump out 1 watt of power and have it sit next to your head while you sleep at night? That FCC indoor limit I totally agree with. I've never understood people who have to max out an indoor household router that will broadcast for 3 blocks. Who can disagree

Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?

2010-06-25 Thread Jack Unger
Fred Goldstein wrote: At 6/25/2010 03:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: I thought this one was settled a long time ago... The FCC regulates transmitters. In general, yes. But they have claimed authority over receivers too. Remember that even receive-only satellite Earth

Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign

2010-06-25 Thread Butch Evans
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 16:08 -0500, Alan Bryant wrote: We are leaning towards having routeros based routers at every tower and subnetting all the way to the AP's. We don't have enough public IP's to allow enough room for much growth. My main question is, what is the best course of action once