Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-19 Thread Jerome Haltom
No bootstrapper involved. I can apparently make redistributable NSIS files and just have another NSIS file run it silently. Which works just fine. Also, no need to remember guids or the rest of that weird esoteric stuff that windows installer seems to favor. And if I *really* need a MSI for some

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-18 Thread Jerome Haltom
Thanks for all the help. I'm going with NSIS though, I suspect. On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 21:29 -0700, Bob Arnson wrote: Jerome Haltom wrote: Sure, but if my merge modules components are merged into the package installers components, then a major upgrade of the package, which ended up using a

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-18 Thread Bob Arnson
Jerome Haltom wrote: Thanks for all the help. I'm going with NSIS though, I suspect. Um, OK, but how's that any different than creating an MSI (instead of an MSM)? -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/ - This SF.net

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-17 Thread Jerome Haltom
Sure, but if my merge modules components are merged into the package installers components, then a major upgrade of the package, which ended up using a different version of my merge module, would result in the components in my old merge modules being unreferenced and removed if those same

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-17 Thread Bob Arnson
Jerome Haltom wrote: Sure, but if my merge modules components are merged into the package installers components, then a major upgrade of the package, which ended up using a different version of my merge module, would result in the components in my old merge modules being unreferenced and

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-16 Thread Bob Arnson
Jerome Haltom wrote: As I deploy new versions of my merge module, and new third parties include them, I may be removing and adding new files. These would result in the components being removed and the ref count being decreased, correct? In which case, upgrading a third party from library

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-15 Thread Jerome Haltom
as possible). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerome Haltom Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:10 AM To: Peterson, Joel Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules 1. I really wish

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-06-01 Thread Jerome Haltom
] On Behalf Of Jerome Haltom Sent: 30 May 2007 03:13 To: Bob Arnson; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules That level of control isn't possible in a merge module. Provide an .msi package instead. So, what's the point of merge modules then? If I can't

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Jerome Haltom
That doesn't really explain what the bootstrapper is. What is this bootstrapper thing? How do I build one? On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 19:18 -0700, Bob Arnson wrote: Jerome Haltom wrote: Hmm... you mean I have to write a piece of software to install the dependencies before I run the installer?

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Richard.Foster
: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules That doesn't really explain what the bootstrapper is. What is this bootstrapper thing? How do I build one? * C O N F I D E N T I A L I T Y N O T I C E * --- The content of this e-mail is intended

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Peterson, Joel
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules That doesn't really explain what the bootstrapper is. What is this bootstrapper thing? How do I build one? * C O N F I D E N T I A L I T Y N O T I C E * --- The content

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Jerome Haltom
1. I really wish http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ was more of a how-to. It isn't really intuitive on how to use all of this tooling in Visual Studio 2005, or where to find it. 2. WiX really needs a better bootstrapper as a part of what it offers. If it were to

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Rob Mensching
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peterson, Joel Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules Couple comments. 1. I really wish http

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Rob Mensching
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerome Haltom Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:10 AM To: Peterson, Joel Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules 1. I really wish http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ was more of a how

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Julie Campbell
I've got some preliminary notes/sample code/links about how to actually create a bootstrapper here that could be of help: http://mindcapers.com/wiki/Bootstrapper It's under construction, so a bit of a mess, sorry. Julie Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-31 Thread Wilson, Phil
, May 31, 2007 9:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules Couple comments. 1. I really wish http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ was more of a how-to. It isn't really intuitive on how

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-30 Thread Bob Arnson
Jerome Haltom wrote: So, what's the point of merge modules then? If I can't distribute a third party library that other people can use as a dependency, You can, just not with the arbitrary upgrade functionality you want. If I provide a .msi file, how will their .msi file include it?

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-30 Thread Jerome Haltom
Hmm... you mean I have to write a piece of software to install the dependencies before I run the installer? Wonder if I can just do this with NSIS or InnoSetup or something. On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 06:31 -0700, Bob Arnson wrote: Jerome Haltom wrote: So, what's the point of merge modules then? If

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-30 Thread Bob Arnson
Jerome Haltom wrote: Hmm... you mean I have to write a piece of software to install the dependencies before I run the installer? No because ideally the bootstrapper gracefully handles both your prereqs and the product installer itself. -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-29 Thread Jerome Haltom
That level of control isn't possible in a merge module. Provide an .msi package instead. So, what's the point of merge modules then? If I can't distribute a third party library that other people can use as a dependency, what good are they for? And I don't think one can reasonable say it can

[WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-28 Thread Jerome Haltom
I'm having a hard time trying to understand or find an example on how exactly upgrades of merge modules work. Do I have to program this all myself? Basically I am distributing a third party library, and I want consumers of this library (those who merge it in) to install it only if it doesn't

Re: [WiX-users] upgradable merge modules

2007-05-28 Thread Bob Arnson
Jerome Haltom wrote: I'm having a hard time trying to understand or find an example on how exactly upgrades of merge modules work. That's because they don't.g Upgrades are the domain of products, not merge modules. Basically I am distributing a third party library, and I want consumers of