Hi David,
One way to pick the right editor for your needs is to go to the Web sites of
WYSIWYG vendors and check the quality of the code they generate for their
own Web site. If their Web pages aren't validating with W3C to the standard
you need to meet, then their WYSIWYG editor won't do the job
I use RealObjects eoPro.
It produces decent valid XHTML code.
http://www.realobjects.com/edit-on_Pro_3_x_2_x.435.0.html
but its not free! ;-)
Gav
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Thanks
Russ
I use RealObjects eoPro.
It produces decent valid XHTML code.
You all might be interested in the reply I received from the ACA in response to my email. I leave it to speak for itself.
Peter
On 07/05/2004, at 2:21 PM, WebMaster wrote:
Dear Mr Gifford,
Pleqase accept my apologies for the delay in respond to your email.
We are aware of some issues with the
The following line from the ACA's source code explains most of the problem:
META content=Microsoft FrontPage 5.0 name=GENERATOR/HEAD
and the less said about their accessible sitemap at
http://www.aca.gov.au/help/sitemap.htm (a mess of table cells and font
tags) the better
--
Neerav Bhatt
Seems
like they glazed over when reading the accessibility information in your
original email. This is all to familiar for me as there are ppl you can
explain the benefits of standardsto 10x a day and they still forget what
it all means by the next day... In most cases if it's a small site
On Wednesday, May 5, 2004, at 23:54 US/Pacific, russ - maxdesign wrote:
Be more specific please. What is problem?
Russ
There is no visible navigation in Safari.
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Hi Guys,
Im currently having trouble making the navigation of my site work in
safari. It works in all other modern browsers but safari.
Site is here -- http://www.creativeedge.net.au/wadigi/temp2.html
any help is much appreciated ..
Regards
Simon Dodson
Be more specific please. What is problem?
Russ
Hi Guys,
Im currently having trouble making the navigation of my site work in
safari. It works in all other modern browsers but safari.
Site is here -- http://www.creativeedge.net.au/wadigi/temp2.html
any help is much appreciated ..
Well the nav bar in ie and firefox works fine .. However in safari the
nav elements seem to be overlapping each other ... and i dont understand
why.
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Be more specific please. What is problem?
Russ
Hi Guys,
Im currently having trouble making the navigation of my site
Anne ven kerstern is 17 years old? What the?
Tim Hill
Computer Associates
Graphic Artist
tel: +612 9937 0792
fax: +612 9937 0546
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anna ven Kesteren looks at a poorly structured site and does it with
standards:
http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/05/leidennl-by-anne
The
On Thu, 06 May 2004 17:21:30 +1000, russ - maxdesign wrote:
Early bird rates apply till 1 July 2000
Darn, and I only missed it by 4 years!
duck
Lea
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Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/
Brisbane, Australia
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I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML
transitional is a less strict data format?
It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as
it
is intended (XHTML Strict).
No its not. There is no such thing as a half-way house between HTML 4
and XHTML.
Sure
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML
transitional is a less strict data format?
It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as
it
is intended (XHTML Strict).
No its not. There is no such thing as a half-way house between HTML 4
and XHTML.
Sure there
Not sure what's happening. but when I delete the border-top property
from this rule the page behaves as expected in Safari.
#c {
height: 400px;
margin-left: 224px;
background-color: #fff;
/* border-top: 1px solid #537B8D; */
ooops. Try 2004.
Dave Shea, Doug Bowman, Joe Clark and others. Sydney, September 2004
:)
russ
Original Message:
From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Web essentials is now active!
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:44:40 +1000
On Thu, 06 May 2004 17:21:30 +1000,
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML
transitional is a less strict data format?
It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML
as
it
is intended (XHTML Strict).
No its not. There is no such thing as a half-way house between HTML
4
and
Tonico Strasser wrote:
Hm, will they make it more standards compliant as well?
from what i understand, yes. it is supposedly going to be up on all the
standards, with full support for XHTML/HTML, all the DOM specifications,
and CSS level 3. whether or not it happens is another issue.
Will it
Wednesday 12 May
Guest Presenter: Tony Aslett (who built and runs, amongst other things, CSS Creator
and CSS Layout Generator)- should be very exciting!
Peter and I will now definately be flying up for the meeting, so we'll hopefully see a
lot of Brisbane WSG members on the night.
More info
but to edit documents on the web
Giro
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nombre de simon dodson
Enviado el: jueves, 06 de mayo de 2004 12:57
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor
dreamweaver mx ? www.macromedia.com
- Original
Dreamweaver is like kills ants with a machine gun. This app is excelent to
edit nested tables, but thing like tableless it not so god -- We had using
him practiclly like Homesite to had some markup control.
WYSIWYG editor to XHTML/CSS is unnecessary, I suppose. At last, if among
browser had
Hi David,
Check out http://xstandard.com
This is a XHTML (Strict or 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. It generates clean,
accessible and standards-compliant markup. Formatting is done through
external or embedded CSS.
Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com
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While not enabled by default. you can set
http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ to output XHTML and also use css
styles. I found it easier to use than Vlads Xstandard
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Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
Web Development IT consultancy
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
Hi David,
Check out
Hi,
i want to comment on Matthew Thomas' 'When semantic markup goes bad'
http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2004/05/02/b-and-i
Basically, i think his main thesis is plain wrong
cite
These arent exhaustive lists, but as you can see, some reasons for
using bold and italics dont have their own semantic
Wow Vlad
Thats looks like some seriously kewl software ...
Ill test drive it tomorrow ...
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From: Vlad Alexander (XStandard) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor
Hi David,
Check out
Manuel Gonzlez Noriega wrote:
Hi,
i want to comment on Matthew Thomas' 'When semantic markup goes bad'
http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2004/05/02/b-and-i
Basically, i think his main thesis is plain wrong
cite
These arent exhaustive lists, but as you can see, some reasons for
using bold and italics dont
I have not yet tried out XStandard (tomorrow morning for sure ;), I can
strongly recommend Nick Bradbury's TopStyle 3.
Very nice to use, has some great features such class attributes in xhtml
become links on hover. When clicked, these links will open your css file and
scroll directly to that
Manuel:
I'm glad you've raised this as I was of a very similar mind when I read the
article. The examples you have provided, IMO, are generally a better and
safer choice.
After all, strike and u got the chop in HTML 4.0 (source:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/appendix/changes.html#h-A.3.1.2)
I respectfully disagree. Dreamweaver MX 2004 enables a designer to create
well formed and valid XHTML. In addition, it has a built-in XHTML
validator to check for poor syntax.
Also, it's upgraded CSS panel produces valid style sheets, and often
creates style sheets automatically in conjunction
Hi folks --
I asked about this yesterday, but got no response. In the hopes that my
question got lost in the crowd, I'm trying again.
In IE, my list buttons are showing up with padding that I don't want,
due, I believe to if/else statements in the coding. As you can see from
this page:
El jue, 06-05-2004 a las 15:58, Tonico Strasser escribió:
I think Matthew is pointing out that many people are using (or
suggesting) strong where b (or a styled span) would be better. He
doesn't say that you must use b but explains why this element is in
the specs.
I think he's on with
-Original Message-
From: Andy Budd
[snip]
Whereas I can see a good reason to use semantic HTML, is there really
much point in worrying if your ID's/classes have semantic meaning.
Becasue they are user defined, there probably is never going to be a
time when that information will
I'm sure lot's of people probably use em when they aren't really
emphasising something, but simply wanting to make something italic.
Absolutely! In natural science (specifically speaking about species names
here) Italics are the way to present the scientific name (genus species pair
or senior
El jue, 06-05-2004 a las 17:30, Andy Budd escribió:
I think the article seems reasonable.
I do not but that's a matter of opinion of course :)
Some people would argue that what you should do is wrap the element in
a span, create a class and then style the class in the stylesheets.
This is
El jue, 06-05-2004 a las 18:08, Peter Firminger escribió:
I'm sure lot's of people probably use em when they aren't really
emphasising something, but simply wanting to make something italic.
Absolutely! In natural science (specifically speaking about species names
here) Italics are the way
Absolutely! In natural science (specifically speaking about species
names
here) Italics are the way to present the scientific name (genus
species pair
or senior synonym like iThorunna australis/i or even just the
species
or shorthand variations), not emphasis. I think there is a good
argument
Dreamweaver MX 2k4 is definitely at the top o' the heap - one tool to build
ANYTHING - java, css, html, xhtml, php, asp, cfm, etc etc etc.
Can't go wrong there and for those that need it the wysiwyg feature can be
turned on easily.
I will say GoLive CS was a surprise though in its improvement,
I have a huge form page
https://www.willtrav.com/form-corp-profile.php
that uses table headers to define the text boxes
and how do I or should I include labels on those
text boxes?
--
Jack Kennard
Web Designer Marketing
dba/ Web Sailing Designs
http://www.websailingdesigns.com
On 07/05/2004, at 1:07 AM, Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Hi folks --
I asked about this yesterday, but got no response. In the hopes that
my question got lost in the crowd, I'm trying again.
In IE, my list buttons are showing up with padding that I don't want,
due, I believe to if/else statements in
Jack Kennard wrote:
I notice there are a lot of sites in this group, that are using
javascript.
Are they mostly for determining browsers and then redirecting,
or ?
As others have suggested, building pages for individual browsers should
generally be avoided. However, on those occasions where
You're not seeing the left hand nav as a list that looks like buttons? I've
checked this on Safari. Please send a screen shot if you can.
Thanks
Barb
Quoting s2art [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry Barb, on Safari 1.2 no list buttons here?
A. top posters.
Q. What is one of the most annoying
Barbara Dozetos: try adding border:1px solid #f0e7d7; to ul.navlist li
like so:
ul.navlist li {
display: block;
margin: 0%;
padding: 0px;
border:1px solid #f0e7d7;
}
On 07/05/2004, at 1:07 AM, Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Hi folks --
I asked about this yesterday, but got no response. In the
I was at a 'Driven by Design' seminar Apple put on in Cincinnati Nov of
last year and saw them demo the CS apps at the Adobe booth.
The guy from Adobe thought GoLive CS was it, kept asking 'can't do that
with Dreamweaver can you?' I refrained from disagreeing with him...I
guess he hadn't seen
Standards-complaint based on their own distorted view of what the
standards are, of course.
While I would love to see something come out of Redmond that actually
works, I doubt it'll be what we need/think/want. It would make life
easier, but I'm not going to keep my hopes up. We've seen M$'s
www.ektron.com
EwebEditPro (esp. the XML version). Rocks hard.
Ray
At 08:26 PM 6/05/2004, you wrote:
Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor
but that generate XHTML with CSS?
Thk
David Gironella Casademont
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The voices are telling me that David Gironella said on 5/6/2004 5:26 AM:
Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
Whenever I need to slam some text and pictures into a page, I use
Amaya http://www.w3.org/Amaya/. It used to be real flaky, but
it's been a lot more solid in
From my experience using javascript, as Mark says, go with the DOM.
We've had good success with complex form interaction using DOM /
javascript. These interfaces work on almost every browser apart the
grumpy old bunch.
Being an admin type interface we detect old browsers and politely ask
them
Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
I think there's some confusion here - the original poster was enquiring about a
browser-based xhtml component that can be added to a web application. That's what
XStandard, htmlarea (works on mozilla too -
I don't see the confusion. The post asked about a WYSIWYG editor the
generates XHTML and CSS, not component that integrates with a Web app.
MC
Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
I think there's some confusion here - the original poster was enquiring
about a
I don't see the confusion. The post asked about a WYSIWYG editor the
generates XHTML and CSS, not component that integrates with a Web app.
The same poster clarified in the third post in the thread with:
but to edit documents on the web
I just thought I'd point out the distinction, as one
Hi Russ,
At your recommendation i made my layout simple.
It now works in ie4 and up. Thank you very much.
However the image in the div mast dosnt show up in netscape, can you tell
me why?
I've encluded most of the style sheet in this email.
Nearly there.
-Kevin
BODY {
marging: 0 0;
Hi guys ,,
I have contructed this navigation bar --
http://simondodson.com/nav2.html and im having trouble removing the
bullet points from the list ...
any help would be great !!!.
Cheers
Simon Dodson
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This new version they speak of raises an interesting question...
Lets say hypothetically that there are a number of CSS related improvements
(even though Scoble makes no mention of such), should we, as developers,
upgrade straight away?
Personally, I'm a little sceptical of replacing IE6 on my
The list-style-type: none; needs to be on the LI not on the a. You
need something like:
#menu li {
list-style: none;
}
J.
Hi guys ,,
I have contructed this navigation bar --
http://simondodson.com/nav2.html and im having trouble removing the
bullet
Hi Simon,
I have contructed this navigation bar --
http://simondodson.com/nav2.html and im having trouble removing the
bullet points from the list ...
You need the list-style:none to be on the li - ie #menu li rather than #menu a.
List-style is not a property of an anchor tag.
HTH,
K.
--
ul { list-style-type : none }
Cheers
James
simon wrote:
Hi guys ,,
I have contructed this navigation bar --
http://simondodson.com/nav2.html and im having trouble removing the
bullet points from the list ...
any help would be great !!!.
Cheers
Simon Dodson
#menu ul{
list-style: none none;
}
Hi guys ,,
I have contructed this navigation bar --
http://simondodson.com/nav2.html and im having trouble removing the
bullet points from the list ...
any help would be great !!!.
Cheers
Simon Dodson
have you tried using a clearing div
#cDiv{
clear: left;
}
div id=cDiv/div
put this below your mast div
Hi Russ,
At your recommendation i made my layout simple.
It now works in ie4 and up. Thank you very much.
However the image in the div mast dosnt show up in netscape, can
you tell
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