[WSG] 4-column layout

2004-07-29 Thread Miles Tillinger
Title: 4-column layout I've been able to find a few 4-column CSS layouts but they're all either 4x fixed divs or 4x fluid divs. Before I embark on my own voyage of discovery/pain, is there any examples that allow for a mixture of fluid and fixed divs? I've thought a bit about it and I'm

Re: [WSG] Bottom Margin on IE/Mac

2004-07-29 Thread Hugh Todd
Lucian, You could try installing your faux columns inside a containing div rather than in the body. That way they would stretch according to the content, and you would not have to cover them up with a footer at the base of the browser window. -Hugh Todd I'm using Dan Cedarholm's faux column's

RE: [WSG] 4-column layout

2004-07-29 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: 4-column layout is there any examples that allow for a mixture of fluid and fixed divs? can you have any of the columns position:absolute or do they all have to be floated? (maybe you have a requirement for a footer to run right across the bottom of the 4 cols etc?). just

Re: [WSG] 4-column layout

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Miles Tillinger wrote: I've been able to find a few 4-column CSS layouts but they're all either 4x fixed divs or 4x fluid divs. Before I embark on my own voyage of discovery/pain, is there any examples that allow for a mixture of fluid and fixed divs? I've thought a bit about it and I'm

[WSG] Submenu bug in FireFox...

2004-07-29 Thread Mark Harwood
Right, im playing with an Elastic Menu system built apon Nested ulli's Now i know this would be frowned apon probelry! But im open to a better way in doing it? Anyway, back to my bug! On FireFox when you click on the Nav and it opens the SubNav it Throws the Parents li Items out to the side!

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers? What does it have that makes it a good tool? - over other browsers? Why not Opera? To address the last question first, Opera happens to be a good choice as well, though I think Firefox is better. The two main

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mark Harwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers? What does it have that makes it a good tool? - over other browsers? Why not Opera? A good developer should have all browser installed which everone he uses as his default is down to his personal prefrence

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Adam Hennessy
we should all be looking at supporting them all! Isn't it amusing that developers using web standards have to support the browsers. In an ideal world it would be the other way around. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Submenu bug in FireFox...

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: Right, im playing with an Elastic Menu system built apon Nested ulli's Now i know this would be frowned apon probelry! But im open to a better way in doing it? Semantically, a nested ul is correct. Anyway, back to my bug! On FireFox when you click on the Nav and it

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Adam Hennessy wrote: Isn't it amusing that developers using web standards have to support the browsers. In an ideal world it would be the other way around It does sound backwards, however I disagree with the ideal world part because I think it make logical sense. It's the standard backwards

Re: [WSG] Submenu bug in FireFox...

2004-07-29 Thread Mark Harwood
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:44 , Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: ul {float : left;} means ALL UL's are floated left, including the nested ul. The nested ul is floated in it's parent li. The solution: ul ul {float : none;} Thank you thats the bit i missed!! Yeah i was thinking of doing it

Re: [WSG] divs and copying their content

2004-07-29 Thread Kay Smoljak
Hmmm... interesting. This looks like a possible soultion: http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020902/121759.html I don't think this is an acceptable solution at all... putting IE in quirks mode causes all sorts of side-effects - keyword font size for example will go all huge, and it

Re: Thread closed Re: [WSG] Search Tool

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:29:51 +, amer amer wrote: I am a beginner in HTML and CSS, I need to include a Search Tool (by entering a keyword to search inside my website) in my new website, does anyone help me in that? Amer, Thats not an on-topic post for this forum.

[WSG] Weird issue With IE6... Need Help

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Stratford
I think this has something to do with the floats. but in IE6. when i load this page, the text doesn't appear http://img.neester.com/image_index it also has a weird bug in FIREFOX where the these little blocks come in on the sides... what do you think would be the best solution? actually use

RE: [WSG] Weird issue With IE6... Need Help

2004-07-29 Thread Chatham, Will
what do you think would be the best solution? actually use tables? i think i might. Hang on there, fella. Don't be so hasty. Looks like you may be experiencing the IE Peekaboo bug, as described (and solved) here: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html It's a simple fix.

[WSG] nested lists as menus...

2004-07-29 Thread Scott Reston
i'm having some difficulty styling nested lists for use as a menu. I'd like lis in the top-level list to display horizontally, with the nested lists displayed below their parent. for instance top level top level sub sub sub sub i've got a simplified demo up at:

Re: [WSG] Weird issue With IE6... Need Help

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Stratford
Ahhh thanks heaps! If i knew what they called the bug i could of looked it up myself :S Sorry about that! Im running 0.9.2 and its weird. occasionally when i load that list. i get two little green bars... i cant replicate it at the moment - maybe it "fixed itself" thanks a lot mate! - Chris

RE: [WSG] Weird issue With IE6... Need Help

2004-07-29 Thread Mike Foskett
Here's a simple rule: If it looks like a heading, table or list, then, most probably, it should be coded as such. - Fosketts rule 2. Hope that helps. mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From: Dan Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 July 2004 15:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Weird issue With IE6... Need Help

2004-07-29 Thread Chris Stratford
Very true. And I do think tables would be great to use here - although I dont like how they are sooo fiddly. and i know had probelms with the divs :S still its all working now! I could replicate and screenshot that error i mentioned earlier in FireFox, although its probably just FF and not

RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-29 Thread Ted Drake
I'm glad to see my question about access keys and tab index has garnered some serious discusstion. As a result. I'm going to implement a small set of access keys targeted to a particular subset of our audience that could use them. I'm going to use 1, 2, and 3 for the three most important

[WSG] more title discussions

2004-07-29 Thread Ted Drake
There is an interesting discussion about title tags on astirisk today. http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/ Dave S. had the following comment _ Dave S. said: It goes like this: Alt text: Fruit still life Title text: Pears, apples, and bananas in a dish, lit from the

[WSG] My first message and my first step

2004-07-29 Thread Diego Diaz
Hello, im making a site with div's mode. The first step is a site with basic thinks as logo, top navegation, content and right menu. The problem is the right menu look more right in Mozilla Firefox, in IE look good. The test page is in http://diego.igloo.cl/test/ The CSS cascade is in the same

[WSG] Valid XHTML and Flash

2004-07-29 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
Hi, I was designing a client site today when I decided to add a little flash to the site. I did and after that the XHTML page goes invalid because of the embed code in the page. I know that some other browsers like Firefox might not work without the embed code, so please is there a way to make

Re: [WSG] Valid XHTML and Flash

2004-07-29 Thread Veine K Vikberg
Hello; Most of that junk is not needed; object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=movie.swf width=700 height=180param name=movie value=movie.swf/param/object Works in all browsers; if you want to be section 508 (and higher) compliant, make sure you create a gif/jpg with static content to

RE: [WSG] Valid XHTML and Flash

2004-07-29 Thread Scott Reston
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay here's one of the leading standard-compliant flash inclusion techniques. enjoy! scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Olajide Olaolorun Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] nested lists as menus...

2004-07-29 Thread Scott Reston
thanks! just to clarify, i'm not trying to create drop-downs. just style the menu so that top-levels are horizontal with sub-lists beneath. http://www.capstrat.com/menu.html shows what i'm going for. the big problem is that i want the width to be determined by the size of the content, so i

Re: [WSG] nested lists as menus...

2004-07-29 Thread russ - maxdesign
Hi Scott, These two lists may help: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic2/horizontal03.htm or: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic2/horizontal01.htm Russ on 30/7/04 5:18 AM, Scott Reston at wrote: thanks! just to clarify, i'm not trying to create drop-downs. just style the menu so

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Peter Asquith
It is, in my experience, best to start with the closest implementation to the standards you can find (in this case I choose Firefox/Gecko) and then code for the exceptional cases. If you start from an outlying position (for example IE 5/Win) and then try to work the other way you will find

RE: [WSG] CMS

2004-07-29 Thread Geoff Deering
-Original Message- From: Amit Karmakar When we say CMS we mean Content Management, well in a nut shell managing the content, publishing etc. Content Management and Validation of code are 2 different things. What does the group think? I think the boundaries are slightly blurred in

Re: [WSG] more title discussions

2004-07-29 Thread Steven . Faulkner
Some points to consider: For screen reading software that supports the title attribute the user has the choice to read out either img elements alt or title attribute, not both. (based on limited testing) The londesc attribute is only permitted on the img/frame iframe elements The permitted

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Brian Cummiskey wrote: ALL software will have holes in it. Fact is, mozilla had a patch for it the same day practically In most cases, unless you follow security issues very closely, it's likely you'll hear about the fix before the bug. ... IE's exploits go weeks, and most the time, months.

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Amit Karmakar
They sure do, like I said I do suppost firefox as long as I am on PC and Safari on the Mac. Firefox is excellent, only was curious if the security issue talked about was fixed. Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:31:57 -0400, Brian Cummiskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] CMS

2004-07-29 Thread Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)
Hi Geoff, But still it is no guarantee to maintain the sites standards compliance when you hand it over to the client Actually, we are working hard to address this specific issue. Check out http://xstandard.com Regards, -Vlad XStandard Development Team XHTML Strict / 1.1 WYSIWYG Editor -

Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-29 Thread Adam Hennessy
Firefox is excellent, only was curious if the security issue talked about was fixed. I don't imagine it will be long until it is fixed. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=253121 That is the beauty of open source. All software can have bugs. It is how fast they are fixed that is of

[WSG] Tabindex tags not necessary here?

2004-07-29 Thread John Britsios
Dear all, I have a question: Doesn't my web site pages here http://www.webnauts.net have a logical navigation structure,thereforeI do need to use the "Tabindex" tags?I ask, because someone advised me against the use of tab indexing - using it only if the natural ordering is misleading.

RE: [WSG] Why do (some) web developers user Firefox? [ADMIN] Wind it up please

2004-07-29 Thread Peter Firminger
I think we're done on this pretty well OT subject now thanks. P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS

2004-07-29 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
Hi, I wanted to know if anyone knows how to make fonts smooth, as in the Photoshop option using CSS. You see I like Trebuchet MS, but sometimes when I use it on pages directly, I hate it because it isn't smooth and I know that I have read some where of how to make fonts smooth with CSS.

Re: [WSG] Tabindex tags not necessary here?

2004-07-29 Thread Steven . Faulkner
I think that if the default tab order of the page is logical you don't need to use tabindex. with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS

2004-07-29 Thread Mark Lynch
The smoothing of fonts is outside the scope of CSS - it is a Operating System setting. Different operating systems handle it differently - for example: - OSX handles fonts beautifully and can make sites far easier to read. - Linux handles fonts almost as good as OSX but not quite - but it is

RE: [WSG] CMS

2004-07-29 Thread Geoff Deering
-Original Message- From: Vlad Alexander (XStandard) Hi Geoff, But still it is no guarantee to maintain the sites standards compliance when you hand it over to the client Actually, we are working hard to address this specific issue. Check out http://xstandard.com Regards, -Vlad

Re: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS

2004-07-29 Thread Steven . Faulkner
The font-smooth property is part of the CSS3 working draft: http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#font-smooth-prop with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864

RE: [WSG] CMS [ADMIN] Moved to CMS List

2004-07-29 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi, There is a specific WSG list for CMS matters. Please join and use that list for this discussion. http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource131.cfm for details. P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Deering Sent: Friday, July 30,

RE: [WSG] CMS

2004-07-29 Thread Geoff Deering
When I have time I'll start a new thread addressing this issue over on the cms list where we should continue it. Geoff -Original Message- From: Amit Karmakar We use Interwoven's Teamsite at work. Going from version 5.5.2 to 6.1 has been nothing but a disaster. The Standard version

[WSG] Some light reading

2004-07-29 Thread russ - maxdesign
Throwing Tables Out the Window http://www.stopdesign.com/articles/throwing_tables/ These web sites are identical - or are they? http://phnk.com/design/survey/ A Programmer's Perspective of CSS http://www.uptodata.com/css/ CSS 1.0 Once-A-Day

RE: [WSG] Search Tool

2004-07-29 Thread CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh
Do you want to include a Search Tool or a keyword ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of amer amer Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 13:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Search Tool Hi Guys, I am a beginner in HTML and CSS, I need to

Re: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS

2004-07-29 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
Will this work for now? and validate for now? font-aliasing: none | smooth | heavy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/2004