I have used negative margins at various times, but I have a question I
would like to throw out there. I work a lot reconfiguring Movable Type,
and there can be a series of articles down a page. On my main page, I
have a border around each one, but the positioning I used to have
content first
Not to answer my own question, but I just seen that setting the header
100px high would remove the necessity of making margins for the content
to clear the header. Seems a better practice as well. I must be tired,
lol. Is that a better way?
Bruce,
www.bkdesign.ca
You could nest your three columns in a wrapper div under your header
and position everything absolute from there, avoiding the need for
negative margins. It is using html for presentation, sorta, but
probably a lesser evil than your -80 issue.
You could call your wrapper content for added
Yeah, or what you said.
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:53:00 +1100, Peter Costello
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You could nest your three columns in a wrapper div under your header
and position everything absolute from there, avoiding the need for
negative margins. It is using html for presentation,
Kornel,
Frameborder 0 still leaves the space between the frames, so is effectively
useless.
Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
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From: Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:46 AM
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:29:22 -, designer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frameborder 0 still leaves the space between the frames, so is
effectively
useless.
Oh, indeed. It was a long time since I last used frames :)
oveflown elements, server side includes or webmaster-side preprocessing
are IMO
I haven't used frames for a long time...
However, I believe it is possible to get a frameset without
borders, by adding the following style to pages displayed INSIDE
the frameset:
html { border: 0 none; }
No need for frameborder or (non W3C) border attributes.
I believe it also works on
Thank you for the answers and solutions. We decided to choose an other
solution, because it's hard to accomplish and it doesn't work in IE.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Best regards,
Jorg Tiemens
Bonus ontwerp
Frankenslag 357
2582 hp Den Haag
Tel. +31 (0)70 33 8
Fax. +31 (0)70 30 62668
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Stanton
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:20 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Is sending abusive spam doing standards good or harm?
Hi All
The WSG Core group are with you guys
http://www.tbrown.org/ideas/tabularlist/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Wong Chin Shin
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:18 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] semantic markup for song chart?
Hi,
What do you people reckon
John Ozturk wrote:
http://www.tbrown.org/ideas/tabularlist/
Sorry, but that is rubbish. Any correlation between the data and what it
actually represents is completely lost. It's purely visual. And even if
it were sort of ok, you'd have to use ordered lists, not unordered
lists, as there *is* a
I found a page, I tried to validate it (like I always do 8-) )
and suddenly there appeared an error message I had never seen before,
but more interesting then the error message was the code that
had caused it:
!DOCTYPE HTML generated by Dreamweaver, does not conform to W3C open
standards
OK,
Rene Saarsoo wrote:
I found a page, I tried to validate it (like I always do 8-) )
and suddenly there appeared an error message I had never seen before,
but more interesting then the error message was the code that
had caused it:
!DOCTYPE HTML generated by Dreamweaver, does not conform to W3C open
!DOCTYPE HTML generated by Dreamweaver, does not conform to W3C open
standards
Hehe, that's a good one :)
OK, they don't want to follow standards, that's okay with me, but
blaiming Dreamweaver for that... hey, isn't this the program
that many Web Standards activists use?
Dreamweaver is just a
That's just stupid. They better not believe in many people coming to
their site, since they have to type things like that. The program is
just an assistance on writing the site, the site is all about the
programmer. The programmer is the only one to blame, not the software
developer.
The
'Lo guys
After being instigated by Channel9
(http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=34005 (And I'm W3bbo,
btw)) I managed to get through to one of Microsoft's PR
interview-arrangers people.
I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
comments regarding the
I'd like to know what their reaction is to the IE7 project and whether or not
they would consider adding the functionality in one of their service pack
upgrades.
Ted
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From: David R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:44 AM
To:
David R wrote:
I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
comments regarding the development of IE, and more specifically, IE7
which may, or may not, come with Longhorn (before... if we're lucky)
Well, one of the peeves most web developers have about IE is that it
Chris Moncus wrote:
In looking over the W3C's documentation and such I got the hang of it
and have been using the Bobby Validator for Section 508 validation (
http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp ). I want to make
sure that I am doing things correctly though. Could any of you
Only the terrible workman blames his tools - Common proverb
'nuff said really.
Okay... so the developer has no plans to follow web-standards, why are
we wasting our time on this?
Secondly, he _could_ care about web-standards so much as not to guise
his document as a validating one by using a
Mordechai Peller wrote:
The fact is the onclick is misnamed; a more
accurate name would be onactivate since it's triggered by both the
mouse and keyboard.
Indeed, considering the W3C's push of XHTML as a truly platform agnostic
system.
--
-David R
Proper PNG support ?
Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Visit the award-winning mlinc.com site
On Jan 5, 2005, at 12:44 PM, David R wrote:
'Lo guys
After being instigated by Channel9
(http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=34005 (And I'm W3bbo,
btw)) I
I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
comments regarding the development of IE, and more specifically, IE7
which may, or may not, come with Longhorn (before... if we're lucky)
Does Microsoft feel resposibility for the web?
Do they realize how much web traffic
LMFAO! hahahahahahahahaha
how about making it like firefox?
and how about seperating it from the os for all the dumb ppl who still use it
and pass on all the viruses
like the previous user suggested, how about actually FOLLING the w3c and not
going against it and trying to make everyone
After being instigated by Channel9
(http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=34005 (And I'm W3bbo,
btw)) I managed to get through to one of Microsoft's PR
interview-arrangers people.
I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
comments regarding the
Naturally they want to develop a better product,
Oh really? That's a laugh. All Microsoft is interested in is sticking a very
large hose directly into your wallet to suck as much cash out as possible.
This is the 8000-pound gorilla who believes in web standards as long as
those standards are
Naturally they want to develop a better product,
Oh really? That's a laugh. All Microsoft is interested in is sticking
a very
large hose directly into your wallet to suck as much cash out as
possible.
This is the 8000-pound gorilla who believes in web standards as long as
those standards are
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:22:45 -0500, Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh really? That's a laugh. All Microsoft is interested in is sticking a very
large hose directly into your wallet to suck as much cash out as possible.
This is the 8000-pound gorilla who believes in web standards as long
I'm not one to continue off topic discussions ok, stop the cat calls.
I just went to the main page for Internet explorer to look for some information
and while the images were loading, I noticed the alt attribute of one image was
Need alt text Look a the image that represents the guy's
sure but maybe they should add some Ethical responsibilty to that as well
instead of trying to make this planet microsoft
they can start by being honest
and remove the whole os, wb interaction and maybe we could at least start to
get a handle on the virus situation
meanwhile billy is spend
I just went to the main page for Internet explorer to look for some
information and while the images were loading, I noticed the alt
attribute of one image was Need alt text
Maybe that's a cry for help of some poor developer trapped in Redmond? ;)
** QUESTION **
In what condition is Explorer
responsibility only, which is to maximize return on investment. He has
done this incredibly well.
I'm deeply worried that Microsoft is just going to make tabbed browsing
add-on,
to put some fire out, and keep it's 12-year old engine.
From their point of view, following web standards is:
*
Actually I could not care less if there is another IE as I am more than
happy with Firefox. In fact when I re-installed XP I chose not to include IE
(it is still there for Windows Update etc but harder to choose as a default
browser).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They should just ship firefox with longthorn and forget about IE7
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 04:44 am, David R wrote:
'Lo guys
After being instigated by Channel9
(http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=34005 (And I'm W3bbo,
btw)) I managed to get through to one of Microsoft's PR
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:17:48 +1100, Mariusz Stankiewicz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They should just ship firefox with longthorn and forget about IE7
No, thats crazy talk! ...but they could buy out Opera Software... ;)
--
regards, Kornel Lesiski
I've always used the validator at http://www.contentquality.com/ over
Bobby. I like the way it breaks things down for you.
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:55:01 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mordechai Peller wrote:
The fact is the onclick is misnamed; a more
accurate name would be
Working on a Mac, using Firefox, I've finally got some pages and CSS
that validate and work on IE mac, safari and opera.
But, IE on PCs might be another story. They worked on PCs quite a while
ago and I'm almost afraid to ask now.
The pages are very understated and plain. No flash or anything
Hello
Quick remark from a PC IE 6+ ... the body of text drops below the Menu
height stretches past the banner image width
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barry Cranmer
Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 1:23 PM
To:
Hello,
Thanks very much for your message and especially for the screen shot.
Hm... now to figure out how to fix this mess.
Thanks again.
On Wednesday, January 5, 2005, at 09:27 PM, Wybrow, Mark wrote:
Hello
Quick remark from a PC IE 6+ ... the body of text drops below the Menu
height
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:23:09 -0500, Barry Cranmer wrote:
If a PC user has a bit of time to spare, could you take a look and
let me know what happens when viewed by software from the evil empire?
I would really suggest you make use of http://browsercam.com/ (from
memory - google browsercam if
I think you may have the wrong end of the stick on what the initial post was
about. Someone wanted to point out that a site was badly made and another
suggested the sending of this document. All I am suggesting is that in that
circumstance it is neither professional nor in the best interest of
well, not exactally what your intending, but :
#menu
{
float: left;
margin-top: 1.2em;
margin-left: 1em;
padding:0;
width: 9em;
line-height: 2em;
}
makes it play nice in FF/Win and IE6/Win. IE/Win dosn't play nice
with position:fixed; afaik.
hope this is at least a little helpful
~j
On
Barry Cranmer wrote:
If a PC user has a bit of time to spare, could you take a look and let
me know what happens when viewed by software from the evil empire?
I'd really appreciate it If you could just check this one page -
http://orderlyspaces.com/organize.html
Barry -
Looks alright in
This little article might be of help...
http://builder.com.com/5100-6371_14-5164730-2.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barry Cranmer
Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 1:41 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] asking a
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:23:09 -0500, Barry Cranmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The pages are very understated and plain. No flash or anything else
exciting. I'm trying for a calm and peaceful look.
If a PC user has a bit of time to spare, could you take a look and let
me know what happens when
Hi all :o)
Just a quick query: we all know that to havre a little link on
the bottom of the page to validate XHTML and CSS we can use a funky URL with the
term "referer" in the address. What about Accessibility validation for Bobby or
Cynthia? The only way I know how to do this is to
Not easily. However, you can link to these (with or without the
images on the pages):
http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG1AAA-Conformance
http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG1AA-Conformance
http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG1A-Conformance
Since they are claims of conformance (not backed by any specific
entity other
Many thanks to everyone who responded. I appreciate your help very much!
Barry
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The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
for some hints on posting to the list getting help
As a new member this leaves me in a position of being hesitant to post,
not wanting to bother anyone. So far I have liked the group, and both am
interested in viewing the sites posted such as this one, and learn from
it all.
I am the type though, not to want to bother anyone, in which case I
I say post away ... :)
This is a friendly place ... [isn't it]
We can filter answer, we are all big ppl [aren't we?] - I am sure if
it's a stupid post some one will tell you or help - you know the saying
some ppls garbage is another's treasure
My $00.02
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From:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:03:51 -0500, Bruce wrote:
As a new member this leaves me in a position of being hesitant to
post, not wanting to bother anyone. So far I have liked the group,
and both am interested in viewing the sites posted such as this one,
and learn from it all.
I am the type
The below defines it nicely, thank you :-)
Bruce
Lea de Groot wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 23:03:51 -0500, Bruce wrote:
As a new member this leaves me in a position of being hesitant to
post, not wanting to bother anyone. So far I have liked the group,
and both am interested in viewing the
hi,
I haven't spent a lot of time worrying about the disabled or impaired
users of my projects because of the youth-focussed intent of them.
Just a thought on demographics: there are plenty of young people with
relevant disabilities. Plus there are people with technological
disadvantages or
Looking back, that looks like I basically said I made the site so old
people couldn't use it. I still wrote so that screen readers had an
easy time and other major things to do. What I meant is that I wasn't
intent on following every recommendation for accessibility because of
the (what I
ummm
didnt I read
somewhere that the next IE browser will be with the next OS (longhorn) in 2006?
anyone confirm
that?
cheers
barry.b
heretic wrote:
I was wondering if any of you have any specific questions, queries, or
comments regarding the development of IE, and more specifically, IE7
which may, or may not, come with Longhorn (before... if we're lucky)
I would say that as far as I am concerned the ball is in their
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:07:32 +1000, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
didn't I read somewhere that the next IE browser will be with the next OS
(longhorn) in 2006?
anyone confirm that?
cheers
barry.b
G'day Barry ;D
That's the official word; though your 2006 delivery date is a bit
Aaah, the accessibility validators chestnut... I'm surprised Patrick
and Derek and haven't dropped in on this thread yet ;)
Unfortunately machines can't check for accessiblity. Really, they can't.
Until they do checks like rendering pages and making sure link targets
aren't incredibly small, (eg:
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