[WSG] Targeting Mac IE5.1 on OSX

2005-02-14 Thread Joe Leech
Hi [WSG], I'm wondering if anybody can help. I'm having real problems positioning an element absolutely on Mac IE 5. It works fine in IE 5.23 on Mac OSX but is out on IE 5.1 on OS9. Does anybody know a way of targeting IE 5.1 on OS9 without effecting IE 5.23 on OSx? Thanks in advance, joe

Re: [WSG] Targeting Mac IE5.1 on OSX

2005-02-14 Thread kemie guaida
you can use IE's conditional comments, which let you target specific versions of IE: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp regards kemie Joe Leech wrote: Hi [WSG], I'm wondering if anybody can help. I'm having real problems positioning an element absolutely

Re: [WSG] Targeting Mac IE5.1 on OSX

2005-02-14 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:27:46 +0100, kemie guaida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can use IE's conditional comments, which let you target specific versions of IE: Unfortunately, conditional comments are Windows only :( -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/

Re: [WSG] Targeting Mac IE5.1 on OSX

2005-02-14 Thread Vaska . WSG
I can't find the exact webpage, but it is possible to arget IE on Mac...like this...it's an odd hack that does work... .innerbox { /* commented backslash for IE5-Mac \*/ background: url(../imgs/bg-menu-test.png) repeat !important; /* end hack */ background: #666; height: 36px; padding: 6px 0 0

Re: [WSG] Targeting Mac IE5.1 on OSX

2005-02-14 Thread Joe Leech
Vaska.WSG wrote: I can't find the exact webpage, but it is possible to arget IE on Mac...like this...it's an odd hack that does work... .innerbox { /* commented backslash for IE5-Mac \*/ background: url(../imgs/bg-menu-test.png) repeat !important; /* end hack */ background: #666; height: 36px;

[WSG] Project: New

2005-02-14 Thread Phil Baines
I dont know if Kevin Leitch is part of this list, so I thought I would post this on here for him. http://www.kevinleitch.co.uk/projectnew/index.php Basically Kevin Leitch has started something called Project: New. The goal is a syllabus of material aimed at the new web designer or

[WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Paul
Title: Message I am not sure if this is on topic or not but I have to issue a cry for help. There are a series of pages I am working on that have different floor plans that you can click on and you get a different floor plan image (http://www.speakupnow.ca/wu/room_208.php ). The client is

Re: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Jan Brasna
It is reloading, so what's the problem? It depends on the line speed and cache how fast it will load the new page. So it may flicker sometimes, sometimes not. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/

Re: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul wrote: 1) is there any better way to get around this problem then I am doing to make it more consistently fluid in it's reloading? First of all, why do you have #anchor appended to each link? There's no real need for it, from what I can see. You *could* provide an additional bit of

RE: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Ted Drake
I'm looking at the pages with a T-1 line and they are still flickering. I think you have an issue with it re-building the structure of the page. Are you doing something unusual with the watermark double text? Are you using a table to get the zebra effect? Are you using sifr flash replacement

Re: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:29:14 +0100, Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is reloading, so what's the problem? It depends on the line speed and cache how fast it will load the new page. So it may flicker sometimes, sometimes not. True. You can't do much about it. If your client can't stand

[WSG] Print Preview Image Discrepancy

2005-02-14 Thread Robert D. Heaney
Hello WSG: I wrote a separate print.css for this page: http://www.watchhilldesign.com/92/ so I could turn off items that aren't needed in the printout, etc. And I'm using a smaller image for the printout as well (using a background for a div). All looks good in the print preview, but when I

Re: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Paul Novitski
At 08:18 AM 2/14/2005, Paul wrote: I am not sure if this is on topic or not but I have to issue a cry for help. There are a series of pages I am working on that have different floor plans that you can click on and you get a different floor plan image (

RE: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Paul
The anchor links are to ensure it stays on the low side of the page where the floorplan images are located...why the floorplan images are 455-500 pixels down the screen...it was graphically designed by a print graphic artist who doesn't do web. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Pages reloading

2005-02-14 Thread Alan Trick
I'm on a dialup connection, so the fact that it is reloading is quite apparent. It doesn't bother me all that much, but if the client is really hard set on no reloading here's my suggestion. Keep the basic format as it is now, so that non js users can still use it fine, load all the images

Re: [WSG] ie INSANITY ... please help me

2005-02-14 Thread Ben Curtis
note to all: IF IN DOUBT, add position:relative; -- it fixes many, many IE bugs :) Would it be excessive or treacherous to declare for Win IE: * html * { position:relative; } ? Is the default of position:static; important? Off the top of my head, I think this would only negatively affect

Re: [WSG] Targeting Mac IE5.1 on OSX

2005-02-14 Thread Terrence Wood
I don't think it is possible to get at these two browsers individually through CSS alone. I would be inclined to optimise for the OS9 (IE5.1) version as that is the last decent browser for that platform (Mozilla 1.3 aside), and leave some rendering bugs in the OS X version. Mac OS X users (IE

Re: [WSG] ie INSANITY ... please help me

2005-02-14 Thread Andrew Krespanis
note to all: IF IN DOUBT, add position:relative; -- it fixes many, many IE bugs :) Would it be excessive or treacherous to declare for Win IE: * html * { position:relative; } Yes, I think so. One instance I can think of is that links within a scrolling div will not scroll (in

[WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Chris Stratford
Wow, I only just realised that Gmail would have to have the WORST accessibility for everyone. I just wanted to get the HTML code for the site. And there have to be about 10 frames inside frames. This is the most code I could get without having to open each frame individually... I feel for the

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread James Bennett
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:14 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I only just realised that Gmail would have to have the WORST accessibility for everyone. I just wanted to get the HTML code for the site. And there have to be about 10 frames inside frames. Yeah, Mark Pilgrim

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Chris Stratford
James Bennett wrote: For figuring out the structure of a Gmail page I've found the best method is to use Mozilla's DOM Inspector; it lets you pick through all of the framesets and hidden DIVs to figure out what's actually going on. Yesh thats what I used to get that deep. But the DOM inspector

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Gary Menzel
My opinion. Dont use it if it doesnt work for you. While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people HAVE to produce a program that works in a particular way. And while there are accessibility standards - there is NOTHING stopping someone with accessibility issues from

RE: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible! My opinion. Dont use it if it doesnt work for you. While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Chris Stratford
I actually don't use any systems. For one of my jobs I needed to have a similar styling to gmail. So i wanted to see the source. and that is how I came to my issue. Gary Menzel wrote: My opinion. Dont use it if it doesnt work for you. While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Francesco
Also, it's beta, and it's FREE, so don't complain, really. Francesco On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:28:27 +1000, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: My opinion. Dont use it if it doesnt work for you. While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people HAVE to produce a

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Gary Menzel
I'll repeat myself - just so that people know I am serious about this.. There are plenty of accesible free webmail clients available. Explan to me why GMail has to make it's product accessible to everyone? And quoting the laws about discrimination wont cut it. They have the right to shoot

RE: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:55 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible! I'll repeat myself - just so that people know I am serious about this.. There are plenty of accesible

RE: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Francesco
It seems like we are making the world less free by forcing companies/corporations/individuals to conform to equality laws. Isn't this just another form of conformity and regulation? Francesco On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:51:05 +1100, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Chris Stratford
I dont use GMail, I just thought I would raise the issue because GMail is like Francesco said still a Beta. So Google are already walking in the wrong direction of standards. Just so you know, I think that google and gmail SHOULD try and be as accessible as possible. If you disable javascript

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread John Allsopp
Francesco, It seems like we are making the world less free by forcing companies/corporations/individuals to conform to equality laws. at the risk of sounding terribly cynical, corporations in particular are by their very nature selfish. They exist to generate shareholder profit. To the extent

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread scott parsons
possibly a more interesting question to be asking is exactly what 'standard' should gmail be following? WCAG doesn't seem appropriate to me, as this is certainly more an application than a web page so does this mean we should use a standard like ATAG (authoring tools accessibility guidlines

Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!

2005-02-14 Thread Ben Hamilton
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: -Original Message- From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Explan to me why GMail has to make it's product accessible to everyone? To continue evolving into a society that treats everybody equally, there is no reason why companies should