Re: [WSG] skip flash intro question

2005-04-17 Thread James Ellis
Hi The first thing you should do, and it's probably a topic for project decision maker/manager is to ask the question... if we need a skip link then is the intro useful in the first place?. If the intro describes the company somehow then serve the homepage and provide a link to the flash piece on

[WSG] i-frame and Div Overflow auto

2005-04-17 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Which is more standards compliant the i-frame of div overflow auto or scroll. Some issues in version 4 browsers exist with the div method, but what share of the viewing populace uses any version 4 browser. What problems are presented by either method in alternative media, such as handheld

Re: [WSG] i-frame and Div Overflow auto

2005-04-17 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:29:54 +0100, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is more standards compliant the i-frame of div overflow auto or scroll. Some issues in version 4 browsers exist with the div method, but what share of the viewing populace uses any version 4 browser. Iframe has

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread David Laakso
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:04:57 +0200, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah, Guess it is confusing to many newbies Newbie David raises hand... On this page you write: IE6 will go into quirks mode if there's anything above the DTD in our source-code. We may put a comment or whatever up

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
David Laakso wrote: On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:04:57 +0200, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IE6 will go into quirks mode if there's anything above the DTD in our source-code. We may put a comment or whatever up there at the top, but I use an ***xml prolog***. Yes, there's an error on a

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode-Correction.

2005-04-17 Thread David Laakso
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:04:57 +0200, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sarah, Guess it is confusing to many newbies Newbie timidly raises hand... On this http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_02_01.htmlpage you write: IE6 will go into quirks mode if there's anything above the DTD in our

RE: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread Richard Ishida
Georg, I think the decision has more to do with maximising the expectation that your design will appear the same on any browser than to do with the features that are available. Also allowing that expectation to continue as standards and browsers move forward and browsers implement standards more

[WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Rebecca Cox
Hi all, Don't know if anyone remembers seeing a sort of rip off of CSS Zen Garden a while back? Someone did a manky looking old school design, not on the main site. I'm after the URL if anyone has it. Cheers :) ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Paul Bennett
http://brucelawson.co.uk/garden ? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?

2005-04-17 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
I was wondering if anyone knew of a popular sites to promote semanitc or compliant (or good in general) websites? Furthermore, if there was a site or an award that would be considered quite an achievement or endorsement for your work? I have submitted several items to www.w3cSites.com, however

Re: [WSG] markup readability (was: newspaper format)

2005-04-17 Thread Richard Czeiger
This is a great issue and one where I think the WSG can take the lead and put forward a standard. To Patrick's comment 'header' is a tricky one and your points about its print origins are very valid. Perhaps we can take that and still use the print reference by calling it 'masthead' as this

Re: [WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Rebecca Cox wrote: Don't know if anyone remembers seeing a sort of rip off of CSS Zen Garden a while back? Someone did a manky looking old school design, not on the main site. Off topic, but I remember Dave Shea sending me a chuckling reply when I pointed him to my own - admittedly super simple

RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?

2005-04-17 Thread Craig Millman
http://www.webstandardsawards.com/ Is one site that showcases good design and standards. http://www.weeklystandards.com/ This was a great site, and it looks like it is about to get going again. There is two. Not really sure about all of the other generic Award sites, seems like you get awards

RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?

2005-04-17 Thread Jason Turnbull
Sigurd Magnusson wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew of a popular sites to promote semanitc or compliant (or good in general) websites? Guild of Accessible Web Designers have a 'Site of the Month' award, voting is by members only, you can nominate a site at

Re: [WSG] markup readability (was: newspaper format)

2005-04-17 Thread Kazuhito Kidachi
2005/4/18, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe we can formalise this list so that it becomes a 'see-if-any-of-these-are-relevant-first' list of values that people can use. If what they need is not on the list then they can make up their own... I agree this point. I think it should be

Re: [WSG] markup readability

2005-04-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kazuhito Kidachi wrote: I agree this point. I think it should be useful especially for beginners, and it may prevent them from using presentational names. The list could be a kind of good dictionary, I guess. But, every site has its own name space controlled by its original naming rule. The list

Re: [WSG] skip flash intro question

2005-04-17 Thread heretic
hi there, I'm wondering if a site would be more accessible if the flash intro (never mind how it's a bad idea to have a flash intro!) skipped automatically if the viewer had seen the intro before. I'm also wondering if I could detect browser for the sight impaired and skip the intro then

[WSG] Unicode Chars don't render in bold?

2005-04-17 Thread John Horner
I'm working on this website for a charitable organisation: http://www.lienhoatemple.org.au/vi/index.html and I don't know what it looks like to you, but in my browser (FireFox 1.0 Mac) the Vietnamese characters which should be bold or italic are coming out as plain. It's only the

Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

2005-04-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Richard, you wrote: I think the decision has more to do with maximising the expectation that your design will appear the same on any browser than to do with the features that are available. Also allowing that expectation to continue as standards and browsers move forward and browsers implement

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

2005-04-17 Thread heretic
Oh Damn, I guess I will have to make it visible again. I have only tested it on FF, IE6 and IE5. FYI, on the first tab Opera 8 beta 3 jumps to the name input at the bottom. h -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson

[WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi I have a page in the site I am working on (http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that won't validate because of an external link I have to the Australian Consumers' Association - http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165 I'm getting these sorts

Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
This needs to be rewritten as: http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314amp;catId=100165 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a page in the site I am working on (http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/sbi240/module3/agriculture.html) that won't validate because of an external link I have to the

Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-17 Thread John Horner
http://www.choice.com.au/defaultView.aspx?id=102314catId=100165 I'm getting these sorts of errors Line 298, column 70: cannot generate system identifier for general entity catId You need to replace the character in the URL with amp;. The short version of why this is a problem is in HTML,

Re: [WSG] Unicode Chars don't render in bold?

2005-04-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 18 Apr 2005, at 11:54 am, John Horner wrote: I'm working on this website for a charitable organisation: http://www.lienhoatemple.org.au/vi/index.html and I don't know what it looks like to you, but in my browser (FireFox 1.0 Mac) the Vietnamese characters which should be bold or italic

Re: [WSG] CSS Zen Garden piss take, anyone got link?

2005-04-17 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On 4/18/05, Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Don't know if anyone remembers seeing a sort of rip off of CSS Zen Garden a while back? Someone did a manky looking old school design, not on the main site. I'm after the URL if anyone has it.

Re: [WSG] Unicode Chars don't render in bold?

2005-04-17 Thread John Horner
Thanks to everyone who's responded so far. This in particular from Philippe seems to have fixed the immediate problem: For both FF and Safari, it might help if you specify 'Lucida Grande' as the first font-family (sans-serif). I'm not aware of any trick for sans-serif. And using shorthand