Re: [WSG] Brisbane, last night

2005-04-18 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Lea de Groot wrote: Last night's Brisbane meeting was a roaring success. Our new venue at the Library was great, with the only downside being no internet connection. It seems Brisbane's standard is the leading edge - an interstate visitor tells us we are far ahead of Melbourne in catering.

Re: [WSG] 309 Validation errors - Reliance Petroleum

2005-04-18 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 4/16/05, Steven Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other most noticable thing off the bat was the drop down menu and top nav disappears entirely with JavaScript disabled. Companies often don't care about accessibility... regardless of whether they should or not (obviously we all think they

[WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia

2005-04-18 Thread Brendan Smith
Oh - my - insert deity here. http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/007504.cfm http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/007504.cfm http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html Where do things go from

RE: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia

2005-04-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Brendan Smith http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/adobeandmacromedia.html Holy smokes...had to double check the date to make sure it wasn't 1st April. Where do things go from here for standards aware tools? They'd be fools to reverse the positive steps in that direction made

Re: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia

2005-04-18 Thread Johnno Shadbolt
Mind boggling, to say the least. Maybe the next big graphic design program will be Fireshop, or Photoworks? -- Johnno Shadbolt Web Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.code215.com It is easy to make a website that any computer likes. It is hard to make a website that any user likes.

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) wrote: This brings up a question. How effective are Skip navigation links? I have heard that half the people do not understand what skip navigation links are. I design web sites to get to the main content or with very few links until the main content. I'm in

Re: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia

2005-04-18 Thread pixeldiva
On 4/18/05, Johnno Shadbolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind boggling, to say the least. Maybe the next big graphic design program will be Fireshop, or Photoworks? Wow. Like Patrick, I had to check that it wasn't a belated April Fools thing. Holy cow. I totally didn't see that one coming.

Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height

2005-04-18 Thread Vaska . WSG
No, that's not it. Now I'm totally dying because I can't find it. Some guy had figured out, and I believe had tested a way to audtomatically keep column heights at equal heights to each other. No javascript and it didn't even appear to be a hack. He made some comment that he stared at his

RE: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia

2005-04-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
pixeldiva I'll be happy so long as they don't ditch Fireworks entirely. I like Fireworks and I like Photoshop, but for entirely different things. If I can hazard a prediction, they'll obviously keep Photoshop and merge the functionality of Fireworks into ImageReady. Hopefully they'll drop

RE: [WSG] Adobe Buys Macromedia [CLOSED and Moved to Blog]

2005-04-18 Thread Peter Firminger
Oh, and sorry...this is fairly off topic. Apologies... Patrick Yes I was thinking the same. Very interesting news with on-topic repercussions down the track but not really a valid discussion point here and now. However, I have set up a page in the WSG Blog for this discussion...

Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height

2005-04-18 Thread Stuart Homfray
Vaska.Wsg wrote: A short while ago somebody wrote an article about achieving 100% height divs when using multiple columns. Their solution was something really simple but for the life of me I can't remember the trick - it was some kind of one line rule...height: ???. But I'm not sure. You

RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?

2005-04-18 Thread Ricci Angela
Hi, Siggy I know this site : http://cssvault.com/. It is a very good collection of GOOD CSS layout and design. Cheers Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Sigurd Magnusson Envoyé : lundi 18 avril 2005

Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height

2005-04-18 Thread Helen Court | Formandsubstance
One of the recent suggestions on balancing columns without javascript was to put a tiny graphic in the columns set at the appropriate repeat. From Vaska.WSG, we have: Digging around in there I don't think I see the article I was originally looking for, but this seems to be the same thing

RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?

2005-04-18 Thread Hugues Brunelle
Hello Siggy, I know about these 2 other websites: http://www.webstandardsawards.com/ http://www.stylegala.com/ Hugues Brunelle Concepteur graphique // ECHO tridimension 2139 rue Masson Montréal QC H2H 1A8 1-(514)5211360 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height

2005-04-18 Thread Stuart Homfray
Helen Court | Formandsubstance wrote: One of the recent suggestions on balancing columns without javascript was to put a tiny graphic in the columns set at the appropriate repeat. Well, I asked on here about something I was working on, early on Saturday morning (see

Re: [WSG] multiple columns and 100% height

2005-04-18 Thread kemie guaida
Some of my 100% column bookmarks: http://www.pixy.cz/blogg/clanky/css-3col-layout/ http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/challenge/3cols/?add=right http://www.redmelon.net/tstme/3cols2/ http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=AnyColumnLongest hope you find something there :) cheers kemie

Re: [WSG] device independence

2005-04-18 Thread Alessandro Calleri
Actually i don't know any specific pitfalls to build web site for cell phone, in this case i build a specific CSS that disable image and positioning attribute. I also specify the text size in Em (that wold be a reasonable mannet to adapt text to screen size). Surely, now cell-phone are interesting

Re: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?

2005-04-18 Thread Cb2 Web Design
Hello Sigurd,Web awards, you said?Some are the kind you're looking for, promoting to a certain extent,standards compliance and accessibility.That may require you some prospection, Google search for "awards for sites"should also provide you some links... the first one is my own.You can also

Re: [WSG] validation errors

2005-04-18 Thread Andrew Hawthorne
Hi Helen, In the link for the consumer's association change the ampersand to the html entity for ampersand (amp;) and try validation again. The validator is trying to identify a system identifier 'catId...' and because it hasn't been terminated with a semicolon, it generates all those other

[WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)

2005-04-18 Thread Anders Nawroth
HTMLTidy is the only useful piece of software I've found for web page development, and I use it to clean up my pages and get proper encoding of my Norwenglish lines of text into numeric entities (UTF-8) where needed. What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to

Re: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)

2005-04-18 Thread Paul Menard
Just curious what tidy parameters you are using. I have some European (Polish, Czech, Russian) language sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters. Paul --- Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTMLTidy is the only

Re: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)

2005-04-18 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:10:44 +0100, Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious what tidy parameters you are using. I have some European (Polish, Czech, Russian) language sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters.

Re: [WSG] UTF-8

2005-04-18 Thread Jan Brasna
I have [...] Czech, [...] sites I'm working on and would prefer to convert the UTF-8 to some numeric equal for certain high-range letters. Well, I'd suggest you not to do this, as nobody here would do it this way :) However it'd make the maintenance easier for non-CZ/PL person. -- Jan Brasna

Re: [WSG] UTF-8

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Anders Nawroth wrote: What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to avoid entities with exception for ' Look for some answers here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html ...so I don't have to give incomplete answers about something I'm not an

[WSG] Print Style Fails

2005-04-18 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do.

RE: [WSG] device independence

2005-04-18 Thread Rachel Radford
You say try test extensively... but from what I've seen there is SO much variation between rendering on different cell phone and PDA's. And I don't know about the rest of the world, but in NZ it is VERY expensive to use the browsing on the cell phone. Is there a web site or an accurate way of

Re: [WSG] Print Style Fails[FIXED IT]

2005-04-18 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Solved it, a typo. On Monday, April 18, 2005, at 02:36 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, The following: ((http://www.ckimedia.com/c/print.css)) works when tested locally in firefox 1.0 on mac os 10.2.8, but when uploaded to the server it fails. What did I goof? CK

RE: [WSG] Print Style Fails

2005-04-18 Thread Rebecca Cox
Dunno if you already fixed this but I would try: Change media for print.css to screen see if its still no show. Try not using @import for it? Or possibly, ref the @import css files from root - eg /c/print.css, not c/print.css Cheers :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[WSG] Hide CSS from Netscape 6?

2005-04-18 Thread Rebecca Cox
Anyone ever found a way to do this? (besides with scripting that is) Cheers :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

[WSG] quick question about text area and wrap=virtual

2005-04-18 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi all I'm converting a ton of pages and I came across a textarea with wrap=virtual. Can I move this to the style sheet? When I read the HTML description, it wraps the text in the textarea box but sends it to the server in one line, it sounded like more of a behavior than a style. It seems to be

Re: [WSG] Print Style Fails

2005-04-18 Thread Haydn Bagtas
I think its because html {width: 100%} is not the right way of doing it... have you tried body {width: 100%}? This works fine with my work. Cheers __ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides!

Re: [WSG] device independence

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rachel Radford wrote: Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? Not really. Too many non-standards around... There is a real standard: 'media handheld', but support for it is sketchy to non-existent for most

[WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me

2005-04-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this time it really got me: http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home.html Please ignore the green line that shows up in IE (didn't get around to dealing with that one yet). The three pixel bug shows itself in IE on

[WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float

2005-04-18 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
First, take a look here in Firefox or Netscape: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm Perfect. both floats line up vertically to the top nav bar as desired. Now, take a look in IE6. Somehow, some right-padding or right-margin has crept into the right side of the red

Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me

2005-04-18 Thread Mike Brown
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this time it really got me: http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home.html Andreas not sure if this will fix it, but try ending the hack with a comment eg style /*

RE: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me

2005-04-18 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: Mike Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 1:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: This is the second time I am coming across the IE three

Re: [WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float

2005-04-18 Thread Ingo Chao
Cole Kuryakin - x7m schrieb: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm Somehow, some right-padding or right-margin has crept into the right side of the red outlined box in IE. #sideBar { margin: 25px 14px 25px 15px; padding: 0pt; width: 140px; float: right; display: inline; /*

Re: [WSG] IE three pixel bug has beaten me

2005-04-18 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: This is the second time I am coming across the IE three pixel bug, but this time it really got me: Only temporarily... http://www.addictivemedia.com.au/clients/gta/home2.html Try killing a float-bug with a float: #home_right {margin: 0; float: left;} ...

Re: [WSG] Unexpected padding (margin?) on right float

2005-04-18 Thread Cole Kuryakin - x7m
Fixed. Thanks so much! Will review positioniseverything site for better understanding of this issue - particularly if it only pertains to floats. Thanks again Ingo. Cole - Original Message - From: Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005