Hi Grant,
Try adding the 'onclick' code into an 'onkeypress' entry also...
a href=# onclick=if(!window.print){alert('Your browser does not support
this feature.Please select print from the file
menu')}else{window.print()};return false;
onkeypress=if(!window.print){alert('Your browser does
On 21/09/05, Blank Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/21/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not on this don't use verbs boat at all because I haven't yet
found (or just missed :( ) a justification for it. While I don't by
default, or even often, use a verb in a link,
On 21 Sep 2005, at 00:56, Lindsay Evans wrote:
Hi Andy,
Site looks great, nice and clean.
And don't listen to any of these 'the font is too big' comments,
it's just
about perfect for my aging eyes (great, now I feel old :
Thanks. Glad you like it.
* I kind of expected the entire green
Golding, Antony
Try adding the 'onclick' code into an 'onkeypress' entry also...
However, in Firefox - and, if I recall correctly, Mozilla (Seamonkey) as
well - a tab also counts as a keypress. Therefore, simply tabbing to the
link and attempting to tab to the next one will trigger the
No surprise that you didn't find it. The bug is mentioned here and
there, but not in great details, AFAIK. Even ALA has triggered that
bug
with their last re-design, so it is easy to get it wrong.
As others have mentioned already: it's the 'em' on body that triggers
that IE bug. More exactly,
Title: Message
Is there any way to
make list look like
3.1 text
text
3.2 text text
3.3 text
text
3.4 text text
Instead
of
1 text
text
2 text text
3 text
text
4 text text
I am thinking NOT with
plain markup, but I could be wrong (just
checking).
And how would someone
else do this?
There is something on this very topic in the WCAG:
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#lists
Cheers,
Daniel NitscheOn 9/21/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any way to
make list look like
3.1 text
text
3.2 text text
3.3 text
text
3.4 text text
Instead
...
Part of the point of web standards in general is that the user and
user agent have final control of the layout, not the designer. So if
the page is too wide on a 21 inch monitor, why not reduce the window
size?
...
Two questions - then what are designers for? Maybe just throw the info and
Andy Budd wrote:
As I said I've not experienced this before, so I'm kind of intrigued.
Out of interest, how does the bug manifest its self on our site?
Screenshots of original page on IE6/win2K-pro, window w:700/h:860:
-2: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/size_smallest.png
-1:
I have generally tested in Opera 7+, but I do find that although its
standards support is generally outstanding, it pulls off some
genuinely odd quirks that can really mess you about.
One of the problems with targetting it came from the 'but people might
not pay to upgrade to version 7/8'
Daniel Nitsche
There is something on this very topic in the WCAG:
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#lists
And the clincher on that still is
Until either CSS2 is widely supported or user agents
allow users to control rendering of lists through other means,
authors should consider
Rimantas Liubertas
Maybe just throw
the info and leave
all the rest for the users to control? Paint it yourself style of web.
Oh, and incidentally, that seems to be what some people on the WWW Style
list (Orion being the loudest proponent) would like to see in the future
*shudder*
Screenshots of original page on IE6/win2K-pro, window w:700/h:860:
-2: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/size_smallest.png
-1: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/size_smaller.png
0: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/normal.png
+1: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/size_larger.png
+2:
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
...
Part of the point of web standards in general is that the user and
user agent have final control of the layout, not the designer. So
if the page is too wide on a 21 inch monitor, why not reduce the
window size?
...
Two questions - then what are designers for?
Andy Budd wrote:
Screenshots of original page on IE6/win2K-pro, window w:700/h:860:
...
That does suck. Bloody IE!
Oh, it's such a nice little bugger :-)
I changed the font size on the body from ems to % early this morning,
so would you mind letting me know if those screenshots were
Hello list,
Someone mentioned the Jello layout style during the clearleft thread
(thank you who ever you are -- very cool!) but I was wondering if anyone
has used this and if they ran into any problems with it. It seems to fit a
need I have on an upcoming project and I wanna know now if
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
BTW: can I keep/use those screenshots in case I want to write
something
about that old bug on my own site? They sure got the point through!
As long as you mention that we fixed the problem and provide a link
to the site, I don't see any problem with it.
Yours
Andy
Ola a todos /Hi all,
I¹ll apologise in advance if this is OT but since the group has several
members in Madrid...
I¹ll be working in Madrid for the next 5 months (moving there from Antwerp,
Belgium) and I¹d like to know:
* where to find a (preferably cheap) spot (hotspot, cybercafé, library
Maybe just throw
the info and leave
all the rest for the users to control? Paint it yourself style of web.
Oh, and incidentally, that seems to be what some people on the WWW Style
list (Orion being the loudest proponent) would like to see in the future
Uhh, Patrick - it might be nice, but
Someone mentioned the Jello layout style during the clearleft thread
(thank you who ever you are -- very cool!)
You're more than welcome :)
I was wondering if anyone has used this and if they ran into any problems
Since it is pretty easy to inject to a failsafe layout, it won't (most
Andy Budd wrote:
Well I wanted to make the logo spin, but the others thought it was a
bad idea ;-)
If it was spinning, the name clear:left would have to change to
clear:right at every 180 degrees. :)
(Very nice site, although the orange text box could be 'misaligned' a
bit more on
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:29:54 -0400, Titanilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it was spinning, the name clear:left would have to change to
clear:right at every 180 degrees.
or clear:both :o)
--
Tom Livingston
Senior Multimedia Artist
Media Logic
www.mlinc.com
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail
Hi Patrick,
You wrote:
... still is
Until either CSS2 is widely supported or user agents
allow users to control rendering of lists through other
means, authors should consider providing contextual
clues in unnumbered nested lists.
Especially since the information in the compound
numbering
Does anyone know a rule I can point to (and send my client to read) re
accessibility and click here?
Some References:
http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/navigation#clickhere
Laura
___
Laura L. Carlson
Information Technology Systems and Services
University of
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:30:39 +0200, Erwin Heiser wrote:
I¹ll apologise in advance if this is OT but since the group has several
members in Madrid...
It is off-topic, so could people please reply to the OP directly?
Have fun in Madrid, Erwin. That sounds cool! :)
warmly,
Lea
--
Lea de Groot
My designer is on me
to reduce the size of the font in the search box on the templates for our
redesign. But I can not get it to budge without getting too
small. Does anyone know of a trick for this. We
have decided to use a fixed font (px or pt) for the search box text.
Two reasons: 1.to
1. personally that font size is already borderline readable (and I have good
vision) any smaller than 9px (some would say 10px) is getting into the
squinty-eyes arena.
2. According to my screen callipers, the font size the designer wants is 7px.
There's a reason it looks too small at this size
Hi Janelle
If you set the font-family on the .box to verdana it then renders the
same as your example below. Looks like the text input field is picking
up the default sans-serif(?)
Cheers
Peter
Janelle Clemens wrote:
My designer is on me to reduce the size of the font in the search box on
Janelle Clemens wrote:
My designer is on me to reduce the size of the font in the search box
on the templates for our redesign. But I can not get it to budge
without getting too small. Does anyone know of a trick for this. We
have decided to use a fixed font (px or pt) for the search box
Thank you Peter. You are right. It is exactly the same as the text
below.
:-)
Janelle
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Asquith
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:09 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG]
The far simpler way would be simpy to
use:
ol start=3 type=1li
class=MsoNormalText/lili
class=MsoNormalText/lili
class=MsoNormalText/li/ol
Works in IE and Firefox. Probably all the others
too.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James
EllisSent: Wednesday,
The far simpler way would be simpy to
use:
ol start=3 type=1li
class=MsoNormalText/lili
class=MsoNormalText/lili
class=MsoNormalText/li/ol
Works in IE and Firefox. Probably all the others
too.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James
EllisSent: Wednesday,
If it was spinning, the name clear:left would have to change to
clear:right at every 180 degrees.
or clear:both :o)
You guys are just s 80s. ;)
**
The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
See
Janelle, I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and assume that
the difficulty you've been having is a result of the much-discussed and lightly
documented IE font-size bug.
As stated in previous posts, simplygive your html or
body tag a font-size of 100.01% and then use ems (preferably) for any
Webmaster wrote:
You would have thought someone would either exclude the TAB key from
keypress events
Well, to play devil's advocate: TAB *is* a key, so why shouldn't it
trigger an onkeypress?
(and other keys like Enter, Alt, arrows etc)
I don't think you want to exclude ENTER, as
Another cool tool, which is free, is Screen Ruler.
http://www.spadixbd.com/freetools/jruler.htm
It's only limitation IMO is that is can only measure in pixels, inches,
picas and centimeters.
The developer is the type of guy that would happily add other units however.
Especially for the sake of
Webmaster wrote:
The far simpler way would be simpy to use:
ol start=3 type=1
li class=MsoNormalText/li
li class=MsoNormalText/li
li class=MsoNormalText/li
/ol
MsoNormal? Somebody's been exporting from Word, eh? ;)
Yes, that's the simplest way...shame though that this does not validate
Janelle Clemens wrote:
using em was way to inconsistent cross browser.
Janelle, another thing to consider when using ems and % for your font-size
is to also apply these units to your layout (header, columns etc.). This way
everything will flow just beautifully when resized.
You need to get
Patrick H. Lauke quoth:
Or, if you must, and your audience does include Mac users, write your own
little javascript filter function to ignore TAB before activating whatever
behaviour is in the onclick.
And indeed one for the Enter key.
I guess the point I was trying ot make is that these
Be nice. It's a common enough solution.
MS don't get absolutely everything wrong, you know. :P
-Original Message-
From: Patrick H. Lauke
MsoNormal? Somebody's been exporting from Word, eh? ;)
Webmaster wrote:
The far simpler way would be simpy to use:
ol start=3 type=1
li
Webmaster wrote:
Be nice. It's a common enough solution.
Sure...just worth pointing out that if you do use it, you either need to
stick with HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0 Transitional, or claim strict
validation and knowingly have invalid markup in your page.
MS don't get absolutely everything
Webmaster wrote:
Or, if you must, and your audience does include Mac users, write your own
little javascript filter function to ignore TAB before activating whatever
behaviour is in the onclick.
And indeed one for the Enter key.
But Enter *is* the keyboard equivalent of the mouse click, so
(similar message sent to css discuss list)
Hi all,
I'm afraid I've not been able to grab time toreadmost my lists messages during the lasts months, nor to answer any, pardon me please, but I'm getting kind of desperate on this new challenge, so I'm turning on to you :):
I'm designing a site for
[edit edit] Doh!
[edit] I did, of course, mean should I apply a .clearfix style to each
parent div and NOT the all-encompassing hack below.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Webmaster
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2005 12:52 PM
To:
Re using ems in your layout elements too (below) - Oh you legend - I was
wondering why my layout spat it when I increased the font size!!
On another note - I have a positioning problem in safari. I am using
absolute positioning and I have a style that swaps my background image
on rollover. In
Thanks for the help,
My solution has been to change:
a href=# onclick=if(!window.print){alert('Your browser does not
support this feature.Please select print from the file
menu')}else{window.print()};return false;Print/a
to this:
HTML:
a href=# onclick=printPage(); onkeypress=return
Yes, I've been doing that for some time and I really find it cleans up
my code, however you should note that class names are usually space
separated. At least in CSS the class green tomatoes will get the
styles of green and tomatoes, so by making your javascript aware of
this you can hav multiple
Hi Andy,
You might want to edit your listing on W3C Sites. You have called yourself:
1. *Clearkleft Ltd http://www.clearleft.com* by Andy Budd
http://www.w3csites.com/profile.asp?u=clearleft
That has a certain ring to it though! ;)
Stuart
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