Firstly, to everyone that's taken the time to add a comment to the thread -
thank you - it seems we've created a bit of a stir.
I'm the managing director of PTG Global, and developed the product. You can
see my bio here
Valid Code may not necessarily equal a usable system.
According to the ISO usablity is:
The extent to which a product can be used by specified users to
achieve specified goals with effectiveness, efficiency and
satisfaction in a specified context of use.
Everybody's favourite Jakob Nielson
Craig Errey wrote:
Certified Usable is backed by our Professional Indemnity insurance and as
such is a specifically name service on our policy. For an industry that is
generally risk averse, they have audited what and how we're doing it and are
comfortable to include it, with no effect on
Russ,
I was getting continued CFML errors when trying to access the Resources
subpages of the WSG today (main Resources page fine, any subpage spat
errors). Any gremlins in the system you haven't exorcised yet ?
Thanks
Lawrence
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Absalom Media
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Sent: Monday, 20 March 2006 7:32 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Certified Usable
Firstly, to everyone that's taken the time to add a comment
to the thread - thank
Ah, usability - it's all good fun till someone gets sued.
While I'm sure that Craig and his team are operating with the best of
intentions, I agree with Andreas that different users will do things in
different ways.
I know I would not dare to put out a site with a Certified Usable
branding,
Hi all
Just wondering if anyone has a clever way of
testing multiple Flash players on a single machine? Preferably without having to
uninstall.
If not, does anyone know of a good place to
download earlier versions?
Cheers,
Paul
Whenever you float elements inside another element, the element
contaning the floats needs to have an overlow defined and a width, the
width should not be 100% or IE will still not expand the container.
This is what the spec says in an obscure part; and an obscure manner.
Example:
#containerDiv
Hi Paul try
http://isohunt.com/
i don't know if they have this but it's working
forstudies...
cheers
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Paul
Collins
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 4:35
PM
Subject: [WSG] Testing multiple Flash
Player
I believe best practices are to have all images in a directory entitled images, all css, in a folder entitled css etc etc,However, there are exceptions. I work for a college and have 200 images of headshots of faculty and put in an a separate directory for management purposes.You need to
On 06/03/20 03:31 Craig Errey apparently typed:
I'm the managing director of PTG Global, and developed the product. You can
see my bio here
http://www.ptg-global.com/about-ptg/the-board/craig-errey/craig-errey_home.cfm
I'd like to know how it's possible to find any web site certifiably
Nancy Johnson wrote:
I believe best practices are to have all images in a directory entitled
images, all css, in a folder entitled css etc etc,
However, there are exceptions. I work for a college and have 200 images
of headshots of faculty and put in an a separate directory for
management
I've just blown some time trying to debug my CSS as rendered by IE6,
finally discovering that the problem had nothing to do with CSS.
In Windows IE, a forward-slash (virgule) that follows whitespace
suppresses word wrap:
http://juniperwebcraft.com/demo/slashwrap.html
It's only these Windows
Nancy Johnson wrote:
I believe best practices are to have all images in
a directory entitled images
Hi Nancy,
I would not encourage this practice. There are two types of images on Web site
- site level images (mostly used in page layout like logos, buttons,
backgrounds, etc.) and document
Paul Novitski wrote:
Workarounds: Preceding the slash with a BR tag works, of course, but
I haven't yet found anything else.
Your suggestions are welcome.
Hi Paul,
Try this:
P.demo2 {word-break:break-all}
Regards,
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
At 08:49 AM 3/20/2006, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
Workarounds: Preceding the slash with a BR tag works, of course, but
I haven't yet found anything else.
Try this:
P.demo2 {word-break:break-all}
Thanks, Thierry, but no go:
word-break is shorthand for word-break-CJK ||
Yet another test/demo-case, this time it's about innerHTML and W3C DOM.
I have a question towards the end...
Trying to explain to my students how innerHTML works and how DOM-methods work,
and why one should not mix them, I set up the following page:
Paul Novitski wrote:
Workarounds: Preceding the slash with a BR tag works, of course, but
I haven't yet found anything else.
Try this:
P.demo2 {word-break:break-all}
Thanks, Thierry, but no go:
word-break is shorthand for word-break-CJK || word-break-inside
[1]. word-break-CJK is used
Hi All,
Thanks for your help it was useful.
I like the comment about the customer always being right. Perhaps
this could be forwarded to Microsoft as I am a customer and have
asked them to build a standards compliant browser and yet they have
chosen to ignore me.
They are not aware of
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Sent: Tuesday, 21 March 2006 2:41 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Certified Usable
On 06/03/20 03:31 Craig Errey apparently typed:
I'm the managing director of
At 12:01 PM 3/20/2006, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
Workarounds: Preceding the slash with a BR tag works, of course, but
I haven't yet found anything else.
Another solution would be to use IMG elements in there. It's an ugly
workaround, but unlike the BRs they would create
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
If you put all images into the images folder, it's like putting
things into a black hole; things go it but never come out. The
problem is just by looking at the files in the images folder, you
have no idea which documents are referencing them so you are not
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Paul Novitski wrote:
Workarounds: Preceding the slash with a BR tag works, of course, but
I haven't yet found anything else.
Try this:
P.demo2 {word-break:break-all}
Thanks, Thierry, but no go:
... It breaks between characters strictly at the block
width without
re Perhaps this could be forwarded to Microsoft as I am a customer and have
asked them to build a standards compliant browser and yet they have
chosen to ignore me.
I for one think Microsoft deserve massive kudos.
They *are* doing all they can to make IE7 a decent standards compliant browser.
Hi Paul,I use Flash Plugin Switcher:http://www.kewbee.de/produkte/PluginSwitcher.htmlsite is in German, but the help is in English:
http://www.kewbee.de/FlashPluginSwitcher/Help/Macromedia/Adobe have a bunch of old versions of the player available for download which you can use with it:
Better yet, use the character U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE (though, you'd
need to check browser support)
Something along those lines...
HTML:
i class=wbrv#8203;/i
CSS:
* html .wbrv {font-family: Arial Unicode MS; visibility: hidden;}
...is what I use when everything else fails.
Georg
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Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I missed part of the question, I tought you just wanted to break the
string, no matter where...
Another solution would be to use IMG elements in there.
Better yet, use the character U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE (though, you'd
need to check browser
Vlad Alexander wrote:
Nancy Johnson wrote:
I believe best practices are to have all images in
a directory entitled images
Hi Nancy,
I would not encourage this practice. There are two types of
images on Web site - site level images (mostly used in page
layout like logos,
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
Better yet, use the character U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE (though, you'd
need to check browser support)
Something along those lines...
HTML:
i class=wbrv#8203;/i
CSS:
* html .wbrv {font-family: Arial Unicode MS; visibility: hidden;}
...is what I use when everything
Title: [WSG] Chinese translations and PHP includes
Hello list,
I am embarking on my first multi-lingual site (English, Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese).
It is to be a static site (no databases) and I have used PHP to take advantage of the server-side includes.
The doctype for my
Paul Novitski wrote:
I have to say, though, that inserting images into the HTML purely in
order to tweak the presentation makes me twitch. Tremble as you
watch the finger bones of spacer gifs claw their way out of the grave!
I agree ;)
IMHO, the best would be to use an *empty* SPAN with the
Adrian O'Hagan wrote:
I am embarking on my first multi-lingual site (English, Simplified Chinese
and Traditional Chinese).
It is to be a static site (no databases) and I have used PHP to take
advantage of the server-side includes.
Although there's nothing wrong with using PHP, you don't need
Is your include file written in the correct charset?
At 10:50 AM 21/03/2006, Adrian O'Hagan wrote:
Hello list,
I am embarking on my first multi-lingual site (English, Simplified
Chinese and Traditional Chinese).
It is to be a static site (no databases) and I have used PHP to take
Thanks Lachlan (and Fernguly for the off-list response!),
You've given me plenty to work with - I'll see how it goes.
Cheers,
Adrian
Adrian O'Hagan wrote:
I am embarking on my first multi-lingual site (English, Simplified Chinese
and Traditional Chinese).
It is to be a static site (no
ABC's Radio National Late Night Live program has produced a really
insightful interview about Deafness. I think it's well worth a listen and
might give you a good insight into deaf culture and the medical model of
deafness in Australia and internationally.
Deaf Culture
Summary
Is deafness a
Hi Adrian,
when I save the include, all Chinese characters are rendered as a series of
question marks.
Could it be just a problem with your editor? Are you saving the file
with the right encoding? What happens when you reopen the files on
your editor?
I do not place any header in my
Hi Micky,
I am using Dreamweaver for this - and you may well be right that it is an
editor issue. When I reopen the file in my editor, it all goes pearshaped.
I will investigate the editor settings, or edit directly in simpletext...
Thanks,
Adrian
Hi Adrian,
when I save the include, all
Hi Ray,
The include file has no defined charset, but should receive the same charset
as the page it is being brought into. From Micky's post it may be more of
an editor issue, which sits well with my current experience.
Thanks,
Adrian
Is your include file written in the correct charset?
Thanks everyone,
Issue resolved! Twas the evils of Dreamweaver - if I edit in SimpleText all
is fine...
Thanks again for your valuable help.
Adrian.
Hi Ray,
The include file has no defined charset, but should receive the same charset
as the page it is being brought into. From Micky's
Is there a transcript of that podcast for those of us who ARE Deaf?
Leslie Riggs
ABC's Radio National Late Night Live program has produced a really
insightful interview about Deafness. I think it's well worth a listen and
might give you a good insight into deaf culture and the medical model of
Adrian O'Hagan wrote:
I am using Dreamweaver for this - and you may well be right that it is an
editor issue.
In Dreamweaver, set the default file encoding to UTF-8 and use Unicode
for all files. Avoid using any legacy encodings.
Edit Preferences... (or Dreamweaver Preferences... on Mac)
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Use html lang=zh
Or, if you insist on XHTML, you *must* declare the xmlns and should use
xml:lang as well.
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=zh lang=zh
Such a language code would be ambiguous and could have unintended
rendering consequences in
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Never delete them! Since Cool URIs don't change,
no document should ever be deleted
Lachlan, I'd hate to think that you are giving advice based on an article
you've read or from the practice of operating a personal blog. So I am going to
assume that you are basing your
Call me fastidious, but I like all my file types to be the same in one
folder. That is, the styles folder should have only stylesheets, images
should have only images.
When it comes to Flash I tend to put these in a folder called media for
some reason
R :o)
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Sorry Vlad - Ithink I'm with Lachlan on this one...
Docs can be edited or re-written but if they're obsolete, you don't need to
delete them - just don't link to them...
If there's a conflict in nomenclature, like having a file called logo.gif
for a company logo and you've a logo for one of
When it comes to website directory structure, I'm curious to know how
you gurus out there set up yours.
Well, I can't speak for gurus, but the way I do it:
Each site or sub-site gets its own set of standard sub-directories,
forming a self-contained set of documents and support files.
Common
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Sorry Vlad - Ithink I'm with Lachlan on this one...
Docs can be edited or re-written but if they're obsolete, you don't need
to delete them - just don't link to them...
Actually, Lachlan said no URI should be deleted which everybody has
taken to mean no document left
Hi Richard,
Can you please suggest a reason why there would be an
absolute need to delete a file?
That's a good question. Here are some reasons to absolutely delete files:
- Legal issues / licensing. Your site may be licensed to use content for a
period of time and then content needs to be
Mark Harris wrote:
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Sorry Vlad - Ithink I'm with Lachlan on this one...
Docs can be edited or re-written but if they're obsolete, you don't
need to delete them - just don't link to them...
Actually, Lachlan said no URI should be deleted which everybody has
taken to
On 3/21/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This happened to me recently with
a news article on Yahoo news I think. I can't remember what article it
was or where I followed the link from, but it was rather annoying not
being able to read it.
I found this out the hard way, I maintain a
Hi Mark :o)
To address some of the points you raised which were all fair points...
In regards to having a document that wasn't linked to, you might want to
have a documenton your site that was for internal archiving only.
For example, last year's special products or christmas deals which
Hi Vlad,
In the case of the products - why not simply have a page saying Product X is
no longer available. Remember I'm not talking about document santity where
you're not aloud to touch it, but rather the idea that you don't need to
delete files - which also avoids 404 errors...
Branding -
Richard Czeiger wrote:
For example Latest Mars News for NASA, might be better served with
havng an index page with a linked archive of static URLs, or permalinks
for latest articles (like /mars/news/060320.html).
I fully agree with what you're saying, but just have one minor issue.
Dates in
Bar some sort of major life extension technology then it'll be someone
elses problem :D
Lachlan Hunt wrote:
Richard Czeiger wrote:
For example Latest Mars News for NASA, might be better served with
havng an index page with a linked archive of static URLs, or
permalinks for latest articles
Paul Novitski wrote:
In Windows IE, a forward-slash (virgule) that follows whitespace
suppresses word wrap:
http://juniperwebcraft.com/demo/slashwrap.html
Probably a foolish suggestion - have you tried replacing the slash with
a character entity?
#047; or sol;
seems to cover it.
Something
Hi
all,
I have this page http://www.lyte.com.au/site/about.htm(that
validates) but I can't get the header to align to the top, there is a white
space between the "About Lyte" and the top navigation.
I tried putting a
clear:left; since the menu items are floated to the left, but if I do
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