Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread William Donovan
Good point Dennis, plug away. It's all part of the challenge and there needss to be people leading the path for others to follow. Well done for atleast trying for them James. William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 2009/1/29 Eyemax Studios i...@eyemaxstudios.net Unfortunate, you as a

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Michael MD
The only way out of that was to rewrite the whole lot. I mean the guys who were on this project were creating empty spans with classes to push elements along a page (like spacers). They had an empty h1 with a span inside it for the logo they placed in using CSS ... that was only a part of the

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Guys thanks for the response. I hit the sac last night at nearly 6am and was very pissed off, with myself for failing the job. I'm all good now though because at the end of the day it wasn't really my doing. The guy that passed me the work does front-end development all day, I thought it was

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
On 29/01/2009, at 11:39 PM, James Jeffery wrote: Guys thanks for the response. I hit the sac last night at nearly 6am and was very pissed off, with myself for failing the job. I'm all good now though because at the end of the day it wasn't really my doing. The guy that passed me the work

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Indeed. My only problem is I have lost future work from the guy that feeds me these jobs because I failed it, he isn't even understanding my situation and he's a front-end developer aswell. I mean 10 hours to do a whole lot of bug fixing and a near rewite is stupid. Also there was no SV so when I

RE: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread kieren
Join the club, I've been commissioned to do a local website and the guy was hoping he'd be able to get a quick bug-fix on his current with a bit of updating. Unfortuanetly the css was akin to the Guttenberg Bible; completely unreadable and would have been a pig to translate. Not to mention, a

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Fred Ballard
We need to always remember that if we're being brought in on a project already in progress, we're probably being brought into a messed-up project that is failing -- behind schedule, overbudget, unworkable, and in crisis. Otherwise they wouldn't need us. They've already demonstrated their manifold

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Viable Design
I've been feeling a bit guilty for the past few months because I wouldn't get the bugs out of a friend's insurance-business site for him on the ultra-cheap. The tables and inline mess would've taken so long to sort out that I probably would've been better off, time-wise, starting from scratch. I

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Fred Ballard
I've read that the Gutenberg bible is formatted without spaces. It's interesting that they aren't essential to reading. I've also read that it's all uniformly blocked out with so many characters to a line, so many lines to a column, two columns to a page, and ending with a full page. In a sense,

[WSG] Clearing a row with floated list li

2009-01-29 Thread Paul Collins
Hi all, I'm surprised I can't find the answer to this on the interweb; I haven't had to do it for a while! I have a list of about 10 items, all of varying heights (but fixed widths), in a single ul. I want to clear every third list item and start a new row. Of course, if they are different

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Some people are so tight with money (even those with alot) that they settle for cheap mess rather then refined bliss. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Viable Design desi...@viabledesign.comwrote: I've been feeling a bit guilty for the past few months because I wouldn't get the bugs out of a

Re: [WSG] Clearing a row with floated list li

2009-01-29 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Paul, I want to clear every third list item and start a new row I haven't tested this so I may very well be wrong, but since you have fixed width LIs, if you confine the width of the UL so it only accommodates three LIs will the 4th LI drop to the next line? Respectfully, Mike Cherim

Re: [WSG] Clearing a row with floated list li

2009-01-29 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Paul Collins wrote: I can add a class of clear to every third list item, which is great, but I'm still having troubles in getting them to behave in IE. Has anyone got a solution, or seen on online lately?! Didn't check for the actual case, but it's usually safer to declare 'clear: left' than

[WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread designer
I did a site for one of my friends 'on the cheap', but put a lot of hours into it, and did it as 'properly' as I could. It was all hand coded and validated to the point of neurosis. Eventually, he decided that he wanted to pay me because he wanted to add a few more pages. When it was done, I

Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Aye' I did a task for a friend once. Charged him £100 for a few pages, a nice design etc. He refused to pay. He is a near millionaire, well his assets are worth that much. Business owners don't know how much work is involved sometimes. Even something basic requires some tweaking for browser

Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:40 PM, James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com wrote: Aye' I did a task for a friend once. Charged him £100 for a few pages, a nice design etc. He refused to pay. He is a near millionaire, well his assets are worth that much. Business owners don't know how much

Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:40 PM, James Jeffery wrote: Some people are rich because they are tight. This has strayed a long way from standards...! But I just have to add to the above. Having been the beneficiary of extraordinary acts of kindness from truly poor (financially - but how rich in

Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Andrew Maben and...@andrewmaben.com wrote: On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:40 PM, James Jeffery wrote: Some people are rich because they are tight. This has strayed a long way from standards...! But I just have to add to the above. Having been the beneficiary of

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Lewis, Matthew
On 30/01/2009, at 2:36 AM, Simon Pascal Klein wrote: I’d expect clean, accessible, and semantic code from a front-end developer. Bah—sorry to hear you had such a negative experience. I think we all end up taking a bite from the sour end of the pie at some point in our profession, and, in

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
The ultimate failure is being offered to do a job initially, only to inform the customer their plan as written is unworkable from the get go. They find someone else to build it according to their plan, only to be approached months down the road to fix something. It turns out that others in

[WSG] Amanda Finnis is out of the office.

2009-01-29 Thread Amanda . Finnis
I will be out of the office starting 30/01/2009 and will not return until 03/02/2009. I am on leave until Tuesday 3 February 2008. If you have an urgent enquiry please call my mobile on 0410 660 431. Amanda

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
On 30/01/2009, at 4:16 AM, Fred Ballard wrote: I've read that the Gutenberg bible is formatted without spaces. It's interesting that they aren't essential to reading. I believe this is due to the inherent markings of the tops and bottoms of the glyphs, particularly the lowercase glyphs.

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread William Donovan
Hang on, did I miss something or is this completely OT (off topic). Bible's, Gutenberg, print type faces... Web Standards...? William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 2009/1/30 Simon Pascal Klein kle...@klepas.org On 30/01/2009, at 4:16 AM, Fred Ballard wrote: I've read that the Gutenberg