Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-17 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 17/4/09 03:15, Russ Weakley wrote: Of course, we'd all prefer to use the correct method, which is display:none - but we have not been able to use this due to issues with earlier versions of JAWS (content set to display: none was not read aloud by these screen readers) - negatively affecting

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote: Now it is h#{ left: -px; } that had issues with screen readers. Interesting. Not in my experience. What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have a test case that demonstrates the problem? -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-16 Thread Gary Barber
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote: Now it is h#{ left: -px; } that had issues with screen readers. Interesting. Not in my experience. What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have a test case that demonstrates the problem? --

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-16 Thread Al Sparber
From: Gary Barber gary.barber...@gmail.com Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote: Now it is h#{ left: -px; } that had issues with screen readers. Interesting. Not in my experience. this may have improved with the browsers and readers (as happens), but

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-16 Thread Russ Weakley
On 16/4/09 05:56, Gary Barber wrote: Now it is h#{ left: -px; } that had issues with screen readers. Interesting. Not in my experience. What screen readers and versions are you talking about? Do you have a test case that demonstrates the problem? I'd agree with Benjamin. Roger

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-15 Thread Gary Barber
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty Hi All, The text indent CSS property can render an h# element inaccessible to screen readers. Other than using an img element and alt attribute, what image replacement techniques are also accessible? h#{ text-indent: -px

[WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Christopher Kennon
Hi All, The text indent CSS property can render an h# element inaccessible to screen readers. Other than using an img element and alt attribute, what image replacement techniques are also accessible? h#{ text-indent: -px; } Chris

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Mitch Malone
This is what I would recommend... HTML: hX class=hidemea href=# title=This is the link titleThis is the link text/a/h1 CSS: hX.hideme { text-indent: -px; background: url(linktofile.png); height: XXpx; // This should match the a element width: XXpx; //

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Darren Lovelock
Design http://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Kennon Sent: 15 April 2009 01:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty Hi All

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Darren Lovelock
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Malone Sent: 15 April 2009 02:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty This is what I would recommend... HTML: hX class=hidemea href=# title=This is the link titleThis is the link text/a/h1 CSS: hX.hideme

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Christopher Kennon
Is this method screen-reader accessible ? On Apr 14, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Mitch Malone wrote: This is what I would recommend... HTML: hX class=hidemea href=# title=This is the link titleThis is the link text/a/h1 CSS: hX.hideme { text-indent: -px; background:

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]on Behalf Of Christopher Kennon Sent: 15 April 2009 01:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty Hi All, The text indent CSS property can render an h

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Mitch Malone
://www.munkyonline.co.uk T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893 From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Malone Sent: 15 April 2009 02:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty This is what I would recommend... HTML: hX class=hidemea href

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Mitch Malone
I don't see any reason it wouldn't be. - M (Could ad...@bizwebbiz.com please turn off their autoresponder?) On 15/04/2009, at 11:34 AM, Christopher Kennon wrote: Is this method screen-reader accessible ? On Apr 14, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Mitch Malone wrote: This is what I would recommend...

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread Darren Lovelock
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty Hmmm... If they had images off, no. CSS off, yes. Touché! - M On 15/04/2009, at 11:31 AM, Darren Lovelock wrote: Thats not really accessible is it? Visitors with images switched off wont be able to see anything

[WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty

2009-04-14 Thread David Hucklesby
You wrote: Other than using an img element and alt attribute, what image replacement techniques are also accessible? This is worth a look: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines:

[WSG] Image replacement and google

2005-12-08 Thread Barrie North
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? Do you get penalized? Barrie North Compass Design www.compassdesigns.net ~Professional, affordable web design~

Re: [WSG] Image replacement and google

2005-12-08 Thread Jan Brasna
Anyone know what the current status is with image replacement techniques and google? See http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4313 + comments. Do you get penalized? No. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The

[WSG] Image replacement and printing

2005-01-24 Thread Ryan Sabir
Hi all, We've just been investigating using Fahrner Image Replacement, or one of its more accessibility friendly derivatives, when we came across the problem of printing. It seems that in IE the default option is to not print background images and colours. So a person printing our web page will

Re: [WSG] Image replacement and printing

2005-01-24 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:08:47 +1100, Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It seems that in IE the default option is to not print background images and colours. So a person printing our web page will not be getting any of the headings that have been replaced with images. Has anyone found a

RE: [WSG] Image replacement and printing

2005-01-24 Thread Ted Drake
Rimantas is only giving half the answer. I came across this problem as well, and although my solution isn't the most elegant, it works. We placed a div in the header with a class=print. The div contains a header image that looks good on the printed page. The style sheet has .print

[WSG] Image replacement techniques for linked elements

2004-08-08 Thread Scott Reston
I'm a big fan of the Fahrner image replacement technique and it's variants [http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/]. The problem is that they generally depend on hiding the text that is being replaced by setting it's display to none, it's visibility to hidden or some

Re: [WSG] Image replacement

2004-03-24 Thread Tonico Strasser
Taco Fleur wrote: I have been thinking about image replacement, and they all seem to have a downside to them, but what about using the z-index? I think I have not seen this used before. I guess the only downfall here would be that the size of the image would need to be the same size as the text

[WSG] Image replacement

2004-03-23 Thread Taco Fleur
Title: Image replacement I have been thinking about image replacement, and they all seem to have a downside to them, but what about using the z-index? I think I have not seen this used before. I guess the only downfall here would be that the size of the image would need to be the same

RE: [WSG] Image replacement

2004-03-23 Thread Jeff - Accessibility 1st
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Image replacement I have been thinking about image replacement, and they all seem to have a downside to them, but what about using the z

[WSG] Image Replacement Methods

2004-01-26 Thread Chris Blown
Hey There are quite a few sites around that cover these already, but I did as a bit of a learning experiment. http://hinterlands.hcit/testing/css_image_replacement.html Cheers ChrisB More : http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement Methods

2004-01-26 Thread russ weakley
A bit of url hacking gets you there: http://hinterlands.com.au/testing/css_image_replacement.html Looks great, BTW! Russ Hey Chris Can you double check that URL - looks broken. Cheers Mark * The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement Methods

2004-01-26 Thread Chris Blown
Um, yeah... sorry guys... /* feeling silly */ http://www.hinterlands.com.au/testing/css_image_replacement.html @Russ : Did you correct the URL by hand? ChrisB On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 14:48, Mark Stanton wrote: Hey Chris Can you double check that URL - looks broken. Cheers Mark