Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-21 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 20/1/09 23:13, Anthony Ziebell wrote: because an implementation of ARIA without using JavaScript to do so would essentially mean a drop of support of legacy browsers If all you are doing is adding some unrecognized ARIA attributes to _existing_ HTML or XHTML content, then such attributes

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-21 Thread Steven Faulkner
H Ben I think the more serious compatibility problem with ARIA is the immaturity and rapid pace of change of the draft specifications and implementations. The ARIA spec is expected to go to last call end of february, so the spec will be pretty stable by this point. From my understanding the

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 20/1/09 06:24, Anthony Ziebell wrote: Is it true XHTML 1.1 supports modularization and thus, ARIA, except for the role attribute / values? I'm not sure I understand the question. Modularization, in XHTML's case, refers to the splitting of XHTML itself into modules. This allows the

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Thanks Benjamin. The only troubles we face with = XHTML 1.1 and = HTML5 is related to progressive enhancement. It's more of a business decision... do we enhance our sites and make them a whole lot more accessible, meanwhile dropping support for older browsers? Or do we sit and wait until older

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Seona Bellamy
2009/1/21 Anthony Ziebell anth...@fatpublisher.com.au: Someone mentioned using JavaScript to implement ARIA parameters. This is a good idea... but just how accessible would that be to a vision impaired visitor with JavaScript turned off? I think the idea behind it is that because you also have

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 20/1/09 22:47, Anthony Ziebell wrote: It's more of a business decision... do we enhance our sites and make them a whole lot more accessible, meanwhile dropping support for older browsers? Other than an accessibility technology inspecting the DOM for ARIA attributes, what makes you think

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Oh, also... there is a requirement for our pages to validate (hence I can only see JavaScript as a valid option at this point?) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 20/1/09 22:47, Anthony Ziebell wrote: It's more of a business decision... do we enhance our sites and make them a whole lot more

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-20 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:15:38 +1100, Anthony Ziebell wrote: Oh, also... there is a requirement for our pages to validate (hence I can only see JavaScript as a valid option at this point?) *Is* there a requirement for our pages to validate? I would have thought that making a page more

[WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-19 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi All, If you haven't seen this yet, it may be of practical use when and if needed: Validating (X)HTML + ARIA: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=107 Written by Steve Faulkner, Technical Director - TPG (The Paciello Group) Europe, Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium from his blog.

Re: [WSG] Validating (X)HTML + ARIA

2009-01-19 Thread Anthony Ziebell
Is it true XHTML 1.1 supports modularization and thus, ARIA, except for the role attribute / values? XHTML 1.1 (latest draft) allows XHTML 1.1 to be served as text/html as defined in RFC2854 or application/xhtml+xml as defined in RFC3236. This is exciting as it looks like we are so close to