Hi, I want to express my gratitude to all who answered my question regarding
the Web standards as a selling point. I only managed to read through all
your messages today, your answers have helped me clarified some doubts I
have.
Tee, have a look at one more: http://vivabit.co.uk/articles/wsbp/ -
Tee, have a look at one more: http://vivabit.co.uk/articles/wsbp/ - I
thinks it was not mendioned yet.
One of the first points on that web site is:
Sites built with web standards take less time to develop
I have to disagree. Trying to lay a site out with CSS can be very
complicated and time
Stephen, how long have you benn designing CSS based layouts?
I can confirm the Patrick's opinion, after some time you get enough
experience to build a CSS-P layout much faster and without any
incompatibilities etc.
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:36:25 +0100, Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the first points on that web site is:
Sites built with web standards take less time to develop
I have to disagree. Trying to lay a site out with CSS can be very
complicated and time consuming
...when you don't have equal
On 4/22/05, Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the first points on that web site is:
Sites built with web standards take less time to develop
I have to disagree. Trying to lay a site out with CSS can be very
complicated and time consuming, given all that hacks that you have to
research
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From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ah, but (from what you say elsewhere in your post) you are just
learning CSS layout - of course you are finding it more difficult.
I wouldn't say I am just learning CSS, I've been using it for a while. I
would say I am not an
On 4/22/05, Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Using tables for layout is also a fairly intuitive thing, so using them was
not a problem for people making web sites.
...
Yes, that indeed was the case.
Now web is getting mature, so we have to make sites that are easy to
USE (and access), not
From: Rimantas Liubertas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This topic is very flamable, so I won't go on it any more (at least
in this thread ;),
Don't worry about that. It's important to discuss these issues I think.
Anyone who has been in this business for a while as I have, will have seen
the latest and
I realise as well that many problems with the use of CSS can be laid at
the feet of IE6.
Indeed.
However, IE6 is the dominant browser and is what most
of your clients and their clients are using.
Unfortunately :(
Using tables for layout is also a fairly intuitive thing, so using them
was not a
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
On 4/22/05, Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
Using tables for layout is also a fairly intuitive thing, so using them was
not a problem for people making web sites.
...
Yes, that indeed was the case.
Now web is getting mature, so we have to make sites that are easy to
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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:31:13 +0200
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?
When I hire a professional I'm paying
them to use their knowledge and expertise ...
Along these lines, Do we really need to tell clients
I think this is an interesting point. We moved to using CSS based
layouts almost 2 years ago now. At first it was a struggle to get the
designers to break out of using spacer GIFs and tables, 6 months in and
they couldn't face going back to work on table based sites.
We have found that the use
On 4/11/05 10:39 PM tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
In my web design site, I do brag about web standards and that I care, but
when I talk to potential clients (so far only two), I didn't even mention
it; they didn't ask either even though they have visited my site. To me, web
standards
Clients, as I'm sure you are aware, are always more than interested in
dollars (or the unit of currency they prefer :) )
Why not promote the benefits of designing to standards as a way to
increase the accessibility and usability of a site? The more usable and
accessible a site is, the greater
ALA: Greg Kise - CSS Talking Points: Selling Clients on Web Standards
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/csstalking/
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I really like Bruce Lawson. and as a bonus I found that his Zen Garden
is being hosted again, by a benefactor (he had, as he puts it, a
liquidity crises).
http://www.tastydirt.com/zen/zengarden.htm
If you haven't seen this, you gotta look!
Donna
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
tee wrote:
... For us who
to advise of
the incorrect delivery and then delete both it and your reply. Thank
you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of tee
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2005 3:40 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point
On 12 Apr 2005, at 3:39 PM, tee wrote:
What is the incentive for us to tell potential clients that web
standards is
important and how many people in this group successfully using web
standards
as selling point for their web design service. Do you increase your
ballpark
as a result?
I find this
On April 12, 2005 4:01 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote:
I find this simple question works really well to couch Standards in
terms
that clients can understand:
'Do you want your site to work yesterday, or tomorrow?'
Guess what the answer is, 100% of the time.
You can elaborate a little by explaining
On Apr 12, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Jonathan Bloy wrote:
When I hire a professional I'm paying
them to use their knowledge and expertise to choose the best
standards
that are right for the job, not to ask me what techniques I think they
should use.
Along these lines, Do we really need to tell clients,
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Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2005 3:40 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?
Hi, I'd been doing web design on the side since last year. I believe in
web standards, but I am not sure about potential clients who want to pay
me do
tee wrote:
Hi, I'd been doing web design on the side since last year. I believe in web
standards, but I am not sure about potential clients who want to pay me do
the job will believe it. For us who believed in web standards, it all sounds
very beautiful and convincing, but for companies who
Jonathan Bloy wrote:
I like this approach and it is pretty much the one I take. I should
mention that Web Design is more of a hobby for me. So, I've only had a
few clients of my own. But I wonder about the need to go into detail
with clients about web standards.
Hi,
I think you have to be able
I find that customers do not care about the standards, they just care that the end user can use it. It's like where the bun came from to the hot dog buyer.
On Apr 12, 2005 11:22 AM, Michael Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan Bloy wrote: I like this approach and it is pretty much the one I
(usually), future-compatability, etc etc), so I won't repeat
them.
Christopher Townson
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony
TimberlakeSent: 12 April 2005 16:36To:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Web standards as a
selling point?
I find
When I hire a professional I'm paying
them to use their knowledge and expertise ...
Along these lines, Do we really need to tell clients, or whoever, how we
make a Web page?
I agree, I don't want any latin things or the precise workflow :) when
going to surgery. The only thing I want to know,
One more: http://nidahas.com/2005/04/08/marketing-web-standards/
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Hi, I'd been doing web design on the side since last year. I believe in web
standards, but I am not sure about potential clients who want to pay me do
the job will believe it. For us who believed in web standards, it all sounds
very beautiful and convincing, but for companies who provides
As you say, sadly not too many companies know about web standards, and
why they are important to them.
So it isn't really an option to make web standards a selling point,
but the company will be happy when they don't receive any complaints
about compatibility issues and such.
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