Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Oliver Boermans
On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote: How about in HTML5? section     headerSome Title/header     ul     liItem 1/li     liItem 2/li     liItem 3/li

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: 07 March 2012 11:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread coder
Come on Steve, tell us why not then? Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? -Original Message- From: li

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Green
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? Come on Steve, tell us why not then? Bob - Original Message - From: Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi, agree with Russ here, for example does ul title=list_title change the semantics? I think not, use of aria-labelledby is another way of doing the same thing. note in practice for the majority case neither is announced by user agents such as assitive technology at the moment. Also if it was

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Steve Faulkner
hi again, maybe i missed something but whats the issue with using heading in a list? regards stevef On 5 March 2012 01:51, Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, agree with Russ here, for example does ul title=list_title change the semantics? I think not, use of

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Mathew Robertson
For this example: h1some title/h1 ul liblah/li liboo/li /ul ... any ARIA attributes are completely not required... h? tag, by definition, already titles the following content, simply by being in the same proximity, aka h? preceding some other content. The primary purpose of labelled-by

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Dan Freeman
Of Mathew Robertson Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? For this example: h1some title/h1 ul liblah/li liboo/li /ul ... any ARIA attributes are completely not required... h? tag, by definition, already

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Dan Freeman Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 6:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? I wouldn't recommend that. It may look OK stylistically, but not semantically. I believe H? before the list makes the most sense. - Dan Freeman

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Joshua Street
www.spiegelweb.com.au -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Dan Freeman Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 6:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? I wouldn't recommend that. It may

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Mathew Robertson
Interesting... who said that H? has document scope only? http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-h1-h2-h3-h4-h5-and-h6-elements Show examples of multiple H1's... H? is indeed suitable as a heading to a list. cheers, Mathew Robertson On 3 March 2012 04:38, Hanspeter Kadel

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Simon Josephson
Is there good reason NOT to use - #UL H1 ... so - ulh1...h1 li.../li /ul rather than what I read here as h1../h1 ul li.. /li /ul Simon Josephson si...@artatwork.com.au On 05/03/2012, at 11:24 AM,

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Sam Dwyer
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? Is there good reason NOT to use - #UL H1 ... so - ulh1...h1 li.../li /ul rather than what I read here as h1../h1 ul li.. /li /ul Simon Josephson si...@artatwork.com.au

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Russ Weakley
h1 id=list_titleThe list titleh1 ul aria-labelledby=list_title li.../li /ul That way the semantic connection between the list and the heading is kept which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes? Cheers, S I hate to nit-pick, but I'd argue that the aria-labelledby does not

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Sam Dwyer
: Microdata. Cheers, S -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: Monday, 5 March 2012 4:47 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? h1 id=list_titleThe list titleh1 ul aria

[WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Hanspeter Kadel
hey listeners, i'm wondering whats the best way to entitle a list. looks like back in 1984 people could use LH for the job. how to do it in 2012? thanks! hans *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread David Dorward
On 2 Mar 2012, at 17:07, Hanspeter Kadel wrote: looks like back in 1984 people could use LH for the job. No, they couldn't. It was proposed for HTML 3, but that spec was ditched in favour of documenting the then current state of the browser wars. how to do it in 2012? h? before the

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Hanspeter Kadel
h? before the list. thats the way i do it, but it doesn't feel right. in most of my cases the UL is more secondary content, like menus etc. i want to keep H1 to H6 for structuring the main content. *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread coder
, March 02, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? On 2 Mar 2012, at 17:07, Hanspeter Kadel wrote: looks like back in 1984 people could use LH for the job. No, they couldn't. It was proposed for HTML 3, but that spec was ditched in favour of documenting

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Dan Freeman
:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? ul li class=title strongQuick links/strong /li li a href=noticeboard.html title=news and Notices