I think it's worth noting that there is a lot of commonality between
accessibility and mobile optimisation. When the W3C Mobile Web Best
Practices Group began its work (way back in June 2005 - I'm feeling old)
our starting point was WCAG. They're not the same, of course, but the
ways of
Hello,
I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is
acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen widths
(e.g. by means of CSS media queries). Of course, setting up a
item on the RDFa option.
Sheldon Campbell
From: grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:43 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile sites
Hello,
I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
improvement with regard
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile sites
Hello,
I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
improvement with regard to accessibility and standards, or whether it is
acceptable to have a single site that is adaptable to different screen widths
(e.g
option.
Sheldon Campbell
From: grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:43 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile sites
Hello,
I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile site represents an
improvement with regard to accessibility
.
Regards
Birendra
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:13 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile sites
Hello,
I was wondering whether having a dedicated mobile
Greetings from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/
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re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/
Constructive comments are always welcome. Specifically we are interested
to know if the images within the portfolio section fill the window
horizontally in both portrait and landscape view in handsets smaller
than 320
I found the prev/next navigation in the portfolio confusing.
I was expecting them to be side by side and at the bottom of the entry rather
than bundled in the main nav.
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At 5:11 PM -0400 6/9/11, David Laakso wrote:
Greetings from San Juan, Puerto Rico.
re: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/http://chelseacreekstudio.com/
Constructive comments are always welcome. Specifically we are
interested to know if the images within the portfolio section fill
the window
Hi,
Is it safe to use just css media to target mobile devices such as iphone,
blackberry, android phones?
And assume if I'm only embedding 1 stylesheet with various media queries in
it, would there be any lag in the page style load?
Has anyone got some good examples/articles for targeting mobile
Hey Caleb,
This is probably one of those case by case decisions. For some small sites,
simple media queries may be fine. However, if you have a large site, or high
levels of mobile traffic, you may want to consider more robust alternatives -
such as device detection etc.
This article is a
On 5/3/11 3:16 AM, Caleb Wong wrote:
Hi,
Is it safe to use just css media to target mobile devices such as
iphone, blackberry, android phones?
And assume if I'm only embedding 1 stylesheet with various media
queries in it, would there be any lag in the page style load?
Has anyone got some
Hi Caleb,
You might find this site interesting/helpful:
http://mediaqueri.es/
I plan on using that site as a reference when I re-build my work's
website in the coming months.
Good luck!
Cheers,
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so to get mediaqueries to be effective you need to get them to behave
nice and report their real viewport dimensions (and, in the case of
high-dpi devices on android, also need to tell them not to lie again
with their dpi
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea how to test sites for
mobiles? I'd like to test Blackberry, HTC and IPhone and I was wondering
what methods and or tools other people are using for this?
Thanks in advance.
Sean
Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sean K
Sent: Sun 27/03/2011 00:28
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea how to test sites for mobiles
.
Good luck and let us know if you find a better service.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sean K
Sent: Sun 27/03/2011 00:28
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile testing methods
Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sean K
Sent: Sun 27/03/2011 00:28
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile testing methods or emulators
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea how to test sites
Thanks for the answers. I think the media queries could be the way to go.
I'll give it a try.
Did you try to download the SDKs?
I installed the IOS Simulator and it works well (runs faster though).
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HI Thierry,
Unfortunately the company I work does not allow you to install 3rd party
apps or SDK's without cutting through a fair bit of red tape.
Sean
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Thierry Koblentz
thierry.koble...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the answers. I think the media queries could
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Subject: Re: [WSG] mobile
Very nice mobile design. Works great too!
Sent from my Droid
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com
wrote:
If anyone has time to check this site [portrait/landscape] in their mobile
device it is greatly
Subject: Re: [WSG] mobile
Very nice mobile design. Works great too!
Sent from my Droid
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com
wrote:
If anyone has time to check this site [portrait/landscape] in their mobile
device it is greatly appreciated
connection.
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:21 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] mobile
Takes fng years to load up on my iPhone4 through the mobile connection, so
I
On 12/30/10 9:10 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Two comments...
1)I recommend a Home link on all pages.
I tried to get back Home and couldn't find a
way to get there, until I just happened to click
on your name at the top.
2)Just a minor thing, but I think the Show / Hide Details
would look
+ 1
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Julie Romanowski
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:42 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] mobile
It loaded quickly on my iPhone4 through the mobile connection.
Personally, I would prefer
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/
No doubt about it. You folks inspire an empire state of mind both on
and off-list.
Thanks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8
Best,
Jay-Z and Alicia Keys
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David it looks perfect in iphone, both landscape and portrait and blackberry
only portrait
Regards,
Simeon
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Sent: 29 Dec
Looks superb on my iPhone!
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On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:16 PM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote:
If
Very nice mobile design. Works great too!
Sent from my Droid
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Laakso
da...@chelseacreekstudio.comwrote:
If anyone has time to check this site [portrait/landscape] in their mobile
device it is greatly appreciated.
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/
Best,
Very nice mobile design. Works great too!
Sent from my Droid
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Laakso
da...@chelseacreekstudio.comwrote:
If anyone has time to check this site [portrait/landscape] in their mobile
device it is greatly appreciated.
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/
Best,
Very nice mobile design. Works great too!
Sent from my Droid
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Laakso
da...@chelseacreekstudio.comwrote:
If anyone has time to check this site [portrait/landscape] in their mobile
device it is greatly appreciated.
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/
Best,
Looks great on an android!
On 30/12/2010 7:21 AM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote:
If anyone has time to check this site [portrait/landscape] in their
mobile device it is greatly appreciated.
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/fa/
Best,
~d
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Janice Schwarz jan...@geekartist.net wrote:
Very nice mobile design. Works great too!
Sent from my Droid
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com
wrote:
If anyone has time to check this site
- the box for a link on an active page is a pixel or two wider than
the other links
I am aware of this and have not been able to determine if it my
error or
browser bug. On desktop WebKit/Safari/FF/Opera get it right, whereas
Chrome gets it wrong. Or, the other way around depending on how
On 15/11/2010 6:15 PM, Michael MD wrote:
Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for complex
script languages is the choice between a textual version and an image
version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj.shtml
Does anyone have any thoughts on the best way to handle mobile versions of
content? Specifically arguments for and against how the BBC handles different
formats - including mobile, simply by appending a format type to the end of a
canonical url.
Ie.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007rsj5 is
First time I have come across the first convention you outline Sam, but it
is an interesting proposition.
I have a feeling that it is a better way (in the long term) to treat
content, rather than having a mobile specific site.
However, sticking an MP extension onto a page name is arguably
Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for
complex script languages is the choice between a textual version and an
image version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj.shtml
UNOFFICIAL
The UK’s new legislation site has a similar convention although differently
named. The base is XML and it is rendered as required. Taking for example
Section 1 the Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/63-64/12/section/1
Although the most interesting aspect of BBC mobile content esp. for complex
script languages is the choice between a textual version and an image version:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/mobile/india/2010/11/101114_raja_resign_final_skj.shtml
Of David Laakso
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:01 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Phone Emulators
On 10/4/10 10:12 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote:
If anyone else would like to weigh-in on standards issues (and/or
mobile standard tutorials, gotcha's, etc.) surrounding
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of David Storey
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:51 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Phone Emulators
On 3 Oct 2010, at 06:02, Cole Kuryakin wrote:
Hello All -
I've
On 10/4/10 10:12 PM, Cole Kuryakin wrote:
If anyone else would like to weigh-in on standards issues (and/or mobile
standard tutorials, gotcha's, etc.) surrounding site development for mobile
devices, please do... Should be a great help to many of us.
Cole
It makes coping with IE 6/7 look
I've been using a free trial on perfectomobile.com which gives you remote
access to real devices, basically has a webcam setup on the screen. Register
through this
linkhttp://www.perfectomobile.com/portal/cms/opera.xhtml?key=OP631R89YL2and
it'll give you 7 hour trial instead of the usual 1.
On 3 Oct 2010, at 06:02, Cole Kuryakin wrote:
Hello All -
I've been tasked with setting up a few form pages to be viewed on
mobile
phone devices.
Currently I'm using Adobe's Device Central - which is okay but it
really
doesn't show how the forms (particulary select lists) will be shown
Hello All -
I've been tasked with setting up a few form pages to be viewed on mobile
phone devices.
Currently I'm using Adobe's Device Central - which is okay but it really
doesn't show how the forms (particulary select lists) will be shown on
various mobile devices.
I've also tried the online
I'm reading this WSG Forum topic and saw many interesting links. One of them
I've download this: Mobile web developer's guide part I but I guess there're
others uptaded. Anyone could info us where/who are they?
Cheers.
Leonardo Ferreira
Webdesigner :: TI
On 16-Jun-10 12:34, Kevin Erickson wrote:
Arrrgh! Thanks for the attempt but it still warns on the MIME type
after the change suggested. I guess I can move on but can anyone tell
me what the issue is???
Right here:
meta http-equiv=content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
Also, as
Hi Kevin,
The MIME type application/xhtml+xml may be the right choise in theorie
but causes some problems in practice. We have finally decided to stop
using it for mobile devices. Besides of that if your site will be
maintained with a CMS you can't control the content and a page might
go
Hi All,
I've been looking at some of my sites with a view to making them more
mobile-friendly, and as a first step, decided to run them through the
W3C validator. (http://validator.w3.org/mobile)
I'm confused, because it keeps throwing up the critical failure of
The image does not match
Thanks much!! I will try this.
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
The Doctype
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
The Doctype for XHTML Basic 1.1 is:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML Basic 1.1//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd;
HTH
Phil.
Kevin Erickson wrote:
Question: For the line
Of Kevin Erickson
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:35 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
Arrrgh! Thanks for the attempt but it still warns on the MIME type after
the
change suggested. I guess I can move on but can anyone tell me what the
issue
Hello All,
If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the
MIME type.
Page code:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//WAPFORUM//DTD XHTML Mobile 1.0//EN
http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Kevin Erickson
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:32 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
Hello All,
If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the MIME
type.
Page code:
?xml version=1.0
Hi Kevin,
The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version of
XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml
or application/xhtml+xml
but you're sending text/html so there is a mismatch, hence the warning.
The recommended markup for mobile is
I will take the advice from your emails and try again. I could leave it but it
is something I just want to fix. Many Thanks!!!
Sent from my BlackBerry®
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From: Phil Archer ph...@w3.org
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:15:09
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG
] On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:15 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
Hi Kevin,
The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version of
XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml
;
charset=utf-8 /, ??
I have not been able to find the answers on the web.
Thanks.
Kevin
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:15 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile
If I may add to David's info, please check these sixteen mobile web
articles/tutorials on dev.opera.com. They may be of help:
http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/
Frank M. Palinkas
QA Documentation/Technical Writer
Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway
http://www.opera.com/
As a slight update to this discussion, Opera has just had a timely
release of our Mobile Browser Report [1].
A short digest: 9 out of the 10 top handsets in the US are
Blackberry, with 4 out of 10 in the UK. The only other country that
featured a Blackberry device was Germany with 2 out
All right. I will stop complaining about designing for the iPhone and
try to attack this from a positive angle.
How can we go about making our mobile websites according to sound
principles. Bearing in mind that mobile browsers often lack the features
we wish they had. Borrowing the
On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Keryx Web wrote:
All right. I will stop complaining about designing for the iPhone
and try to attack this from a positive angle.
I think designing for the iPhone is somewhat irrelevant, (but I'd
agree that iphone specific URLs are a scary throwback to the bad
: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:37 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile graded browser support
On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Keryx Web wrote:
All right. I will stop complaining about designing for the iPhone and try
to attack this from a positive angle.
I think designing
On 21 Jul 2008, at 14:52, Keryx Web wrote:
All right. I will stop complaining about designing for the iPhone
and try to attack this from a positive angle.
How can we go about making our mobile websites according to sound
principles. Bearing in mind that mobile browsers often lack the
FYI:
David Storey is one of the lead engineers of Opera Browser. It's a rare
honor to have a browser architect reflect on the industry in mailing lists.
Do you see similar responses from Firefox, Safari, or IE architects?
So, keep his suggestions in mind, he knows what he's talking about.
] On
Behalf Of Michael MD
Sent: 25 June 2008 11:10
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be
following web standards with their CSS version.
and I don't think it is just in the UK
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be
following web standards with their CSS version.
and I don't think it is just in the UK, it is every where for Vodafone.
Which not only defies any effort you made to put the thing together for
presentation standards as well.
Michael,
My understanding is that they have different styles targeted for the
different handsets and that is the other justification for carrying out
such an exercise.
William
Michael MD wrote:
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be
following web standards
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: RE: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
I agree, this is not web standards. However remember they could be
following web
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and
CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it
doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps with a stylesheet targeting
mobile phones it would?!
The main reason is, I am trying to decide whether
Paul,
Check out these great resources:
- http://dev.mobi/
- http://mobilewebbook.com
- http://www.w3.org/mobile/
And for testing you can use http://deviceanywhere.com which provides remote
access to actual handsets (not emulators).
Good Luck.
Stew
2008/6/24 Paul Collins [EMAIL
Paul Collins wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and
CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it
doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps with a stylesheet targeting
mobile phones it would?!
The main reason is, I am trying to
Thanks for your replies everyone, those are good resources.
2008/6/24 Jens Nedal [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Paul Collins wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and
CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it
doesn't support CSS at
Hi Paul,
There are fifteen articles here on designing, etc. for Opera Mobile and
Opera Mini.
http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/
Hope this may be of help.
Kind regards,
Frank Palinkas
Opera Software
On 6/24/08, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a
:07
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
Paul Collins wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and
CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it
doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps
Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and
CSS support. I currently have a Nokia N70 and as far as I can see it
doesn't support CSS at all. But, perhaps with a stylesheet targeting
mobile phones it would?!
Hi
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Jens Nedal
Sent: 24 June 2008 11:07
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile phone support of CSS
Paul Collins wrote:
Hi all,
I'm trying to find a comprehensive list of Mobile phone browsers and
CSS
standards?
Darren Lovelock
Munky Online Web Design
http://www.munkyonline.co.uk
T: +44 (0)20-8816-8893
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jens Nedal
Sent: 24 June 2008 11:07
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile
Hello Everybody
Can anyone, tell me where i can emulate my xhtml
interface in a plenty of differents browsers, like pda´s, opera, konqueror,
etc...?
I would appreciate, some links.
thanks.
Genau Lopes
JúniorWebDesigner
Genau Junior wrote:
Can anyone, tell me where i can emulate my xhtml interface in a plenty
of differents browsers, like pda´s, opera, konqueror, etc...?
For browser:
I'd start with http://www.browsercam.com/ and, wherever possible, installing
any browsers you can on your dev machine.
For mobile
I've found some success with http://www.dejavu.org/
~john
_
Dr. Zeus Web Development
http://www.DrZeus.net
content without clutter
on 11/26/2004 5:52 PM Patrick H. Lauke said the following:
Genau Junior wrote:
Can anyone, tell me where i can emulate my xhtml interface in a
Thanks, Patrick, and John.
Very usefull tools.
Genau Lopes Júnior
WebDesigner
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From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile and Browser Emulators
Genau Junior wrote:
Can
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