Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:19 AM 9/7/2005, Chris Taylor wrote: Not sure if this has been flagged up anywhere else, but I noticed the barclays website has had a CSS makeover: http://www.barclays.co.uk/. It's great to see a huge company like this hauling themselves into the 21st century web-wise, and maybe it will be

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Erwin Heiser
How abiut this then: div class=topBarGrad/div div class=contentContainer div class=contentContainerPad div class=breadCrumbstrongUK/strong/div div class=topTabs div class=topTabsValign

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Paul Sturgess
Barclays (http://www.barclays.co.uk/accessibility/web_design.htm) Designing the site for an 800x600 view so horizontal scrolling is not required, even for users with small screens. Interesting to see that in Firefox I have a horizontal scroll bar and my resolution is 1280x1024 px However, at

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Kris Khaira
Exactly. Just because it validates doesn't mean it's semantic. topBarGrad topTabs topTabsValign - what if we move these away from the top. Then what? contentContainerPad - what if we remove the padding? posAbsolute - what if we change this to position:relative? HTML elements should define the

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread James Bennett
On 9/7/05, Kris Khaira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - what if we move these away from the top. Then what? What if you have a div with id brand which contains your company's name in an h1 with id company_name? What if a later reorganization of the site moves that h1 into a different container

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread David Laakso
Chris Taylor wrote: Not sure if this has been flagged up anywhere else, but I noticed the barclays website has had a CSS makeover: http://www.barclays.co.uk/. They also have some (brief) information about their design here: http://www.barclays.co.uk/accessibility/web_design.htm Chris Taylor

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
My guess is that more than one person worked on the redesign, but not everyone knew what they were doing. That might be where the mistakes come in. Still, they are really amateur mistakes. Seems unfair that I can't get anyone to pay me to do clean, standards based design, but these clowns cashed

RE: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Paul Bennett
It doesn't actually validate. (watch wrap) http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.barclays.co.uk%2Fpremier%2Fcharset=%28detect+automatically%29doctype=Inlineverbose=1

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
Standards compliance needs to be built into RFP's from the get-go and then enforced by companies who pay the web-dev's. Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be more like compilers... they should refuse to parse incorrect code. Then the enforcement would be on the

RE: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Craig Rippon
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2005 8:44 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign Standards compliance needs to be built into RFP's from the get-go and then enforced by companies who pay the web-dev's. Exactly. I was actually

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Kenny Graham
Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be more like compilers... they should refuse to parse incorrect code. Then the enforcement would be on the output end, too. It would be nice, but would only work if -every- browser did it. Otherwise the general opinion would be

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread John Allsopp
Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be more like compilers... they should refuse to parse incorrect code. Then the enforcement would be on the output end, too. It would be nice, but would only work if -every- browser did it. Otherwise the general opinion

RE: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign Standards compliance needs to be built into RFP's from the get-go and then enforced by companies who pay the web-dev's. Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be more like compilers... they should refuse to parse

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Kenny Graham
by-the-by: I am a web development student at Yeronga TAFE college in Brisbane, Australia. One of my instructors has never heard of DOCTYPE, refuses to put tags in lowercase and also refuses to close p, 'cause they don't need to be closed. That instructor has no business teaching web dev, as

RE: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Paul Bennett
be glad you're learning about web standards now - it'll make getting a good job a lot easier. The capability of my tutors wasn't much better than yours. Even Zeldman has lamented lately (sorry - googled and couldn't find the entry) that Universities can teach molecular physics but apparently

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 8 Sep 2005, at 9:31 AM, Paul Bennett wrote: be glad you're learning about web standards now - it'll make getting a good job a lot easier. The capability of my tutors wasn't much better than yours. Even Zeldman has lamented lately (sorry - googled and couldn't find the entry) that