Re: [WSG] Semantic indentation

2004-10-25 Thread Joshua Street
Others have outlined the reasons not to use pre tags, so I won't go on about that too much, but to say that it's inappropriate to reformat preformatted text IMHO. That's just opinion, though. There are arguments both ways with regard to the use of whitespace as a part of content as opposed to as

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-25 Thread Jeremy Keith
Mordechai Pellar wrote: Very nice, though it would be even nicer were your JavaScript to be external. Here's one way of doing that... In your (X)HTML, assign a class of popup to any links that you want to open in a new window: a href=foo.bar class=popuplink text/a Then in a JavaScript file

RE: [WSG] Circle menu

2004-10-25 Thread Mike Pepper
Jad, Check out file:///H:/Inetpub/wwwroot/premiumsofas/bellagio_sofas.htm As Patrick suggests, it's a simple case of absolute positioning. Set a relative start then work from there. (The site is temporarily disabled so don't hit the index page.) Good luck, Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer

RE: [WSG] Circle menu

2004-10-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Mike Pepper Jad, Check out file:///H:/Inetpub/wwwroot/premiumsofas/bellagio_sofas.htm Can't check your H drive, Mikey boy ;) The correct address is http://www.premiumsofas.co.uk/bellagio_sofas.htm P Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

[WSG] Userfriendly.org Compliance Cartoon

2004-10-25 Thread Adam Carmichael
Some humour to kick the day off... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041025 -- /** * Adam Carmichael, A+, 2xMCP (Windows 2000), Cert IV Helpdesk Admin * [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( _,-,_ )\ _| |_ /,|| * #1 Computer Services

[WSG] Tonight's Melbourne meeting and presentation notes

2004-10-25 Thread David McDonald
Thanks to all who came to the Melbourne Web Standards meeting tonight. We had around 42 people attend, who heard: Andrew Fernandez give a great introduction and welcome. Russ Weakley give a quick and dirty introduction to accessibility. Steve Faulkner talk about techniques for making forms

[WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Ted Drake
I hope this isn't off topic. But I figured the Dublin Core was standards based and so I'm throwing it out there. Our company hired an SEO company to help get better search results. They gave the standard answers with page names, titles, descriptions, as well as the wink/nod use these alt tags,

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Lea de Groot
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0700, Ted Drake wrote: Here's my question: Does anyone know if dublin core metatags can hurt SEO rankings? I don't have anything to back me up, but I do a fair amount of SEO and *no* I can't imagine they would affect you at all! Except perhaps for the rare

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Terrence Wood
The short answer is no. Dublin core is an initiative that introduces a standardized vocabulary for resource (Web page) descriptions. So, unless metatags (of any description) harm your ranking, then there is no way that DC tags in and of themselves will. It will probably be more helpful to

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-25 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, So the most standards compliant method would be loading each portfolio piece into a new window without JS. So if this is the case, why have so many sites resorted to the carnival that is often JS, with window upon window soaking up screen real estate? C On Sunday, October 24, 2004, at

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Lo
I've partly incorporated Dublin Core into an NGO site I'm working on so I'm very interested to hear how you go with this Ted. I'd say even though this is not the right place for an SEO discussion, if the discussion is in regards to being penalised for implementing what is the main metadata

[WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread John Horner
The last thing I want to do is start the can I open new windows debate again -- my question is, are we not allowed to use frames any more? To put it another way, I believe that frames should be avoided in all situations *except* the building of online applications. If one wants to build an

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Chris Kennon wrote: So the most standards compliant method would be loading each portfolio piece into a new window without JS. So if this is the case, why have so many sites resorted to the carnival that is often JS, with window upon window soaking up screen real estate? Simple answer: because

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-25 Thread Natalie Buxton
ALA has a fantastic article on creating accessible Popups - and I use their method of calling content to the same window name for things like portfolio pieces and larger images of product items. It degrades very nicely if JS is disabled, and scales well. Loading everything into the single window

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Lo
Correction: Before: The Australian Government has incorporated Dublin Core into it's AGLS Metadata Standard... http://www.naa.gov.au/recordkeeping/gov_online/agls/summary.html ...and I'd be surprised if there is no-one on this list that has had no dealings there. If there are perhaps they'd

[WSG] Select form element doesnt validate

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Kear
I'm trying to validate a page, and I'm getting this error. Line 183, column 28: the name and VI delimiter can be omitted from an attribute specification only if SHORTTAG YES is specified And also .. Line 184, column 29: there is no attribute SELECTED I have two problems with this . I

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Terrence Wood
Just to be clear, there is no way that Dublin Core in and of itself will harm a sites ranking. I am a big fan of it myself. Used properly, DC tags may or may not improve your ranking, but they will not harm it either. However, an SEO strategy that overloads meta tags with the same words,

Re: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate

2004-10-25 Thread Darren Wood
Michael Kear wrote: snip / Here's the code for the offending form element involved: label for=ReferredbyReferred By:/labelselect id=Referredby name=Referredby option value=0 selectedSearch Engine/option option value=5 SELECTED = Selected Heard about the site on the radio/option option value=1

RE: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Kear
Ok, I figured out by trial and error that SELECTED=selected is wrong, but selected=selected is correct, but I still don't see a link anywhere to the correct syntax. I figure if a validator is going to say that's wrong they ought to provide a link so you can find out what's right. Don't you

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-25 Thread Jeremy Keith
Chris Kennon wrote: So the most standards compliant method would be loading each portfolio piece into a new window without JS. Perhaps I've misunderstood you here. Do you man the same window or a new window? If you mean a new window then the only way you can do it without JavaScript is to use

[WSG] Site Review Request

2004-10-25 Thread Daniel Bowling
Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code quality. http://www.danbowling.com Thank you for your time, Dan Bowling W: http://www.danbowling.com ** The

Re: [WSG] Broken In Safari/IE Mac

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:37 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: Despite what I say on my site, I do not hate mac users, I am merely envious of them. Who doesn't want such a pretty and fast machine? Mmm. Maybe '...asking you rich bastards...' rather than 'telling' might get you a little more sympathetic

Re: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate

2004-10-25 Thread Jeremy Keith
Michael Kear wrote: And also I was sure that SELECTED=selected was correct, but apparently not. Again I looked for the dinkum definition but couldn't find it. Anyone know where it is? Your syntax is correct, it's just a matter of case: selected=selected would be correct (lower case). One of

Re: [WSG] Broken In Safari/IE Mac

2004-10-25 Thread Natalie Buxton
Nick, good point :) On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:06:58 +1000, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:37 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: Despite what I say on my site, I do not hate mac users, I am merely envious of them. Who doesn't want such a pretty and fast machine?

Re: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate

2004-10-25 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Michael Kear wrote: I figure if a validator is going to say that's wrong they ought to provide a link so you can find out what's right. Don't you think? There are no less than 2 links to the exact specification of the doctype your document purports to use (one at the top, in the form, just next

Re: [WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread RMW Web Publishing
Isn't that what XHTML-1.0-Frameset is for?? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Frameset - Original Message - From: John Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: [WSG] Target Attributes | The last thing I want to do is

RE: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Kear
True, Patrick, it's not a teaching tool. But you do need to be able to find out what is correct if it says it's wrong. The link in the big red bar doesn't link to a syntax reference at all, but a general document about XHTML and changes from html etc. I was looking for something to tell me

Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines

2004-10-25 Thread Steven C. Perkins
Hello: Actually there is an academic study of the use of DC metatags on web pages and the ranks of those pages in search engine results. I am searching for the citation and will send it when I find it. The basic answer is it depends on the search engine, but in the majority of cases, it

Re: [WSG] Stadards Site Section

2004-10-25 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Just what the was desired! C On Monday, October 25, 2004, at 04:30 PM, Natalie Buxton wrote: ALA has a fantastic article on creating accessible Popups - and I use their method of calling content to the same window name for things like portfolio pieces and larger images of product items. It

Re: [WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread John Horner
Isn't that what XHTML-1.0-Frameset is for?? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Frameset Well no, the FRAMESET document is the one which defines the frames, i.e. it would say that left.html occupies 25% of the window and right.html occupies the remaining 75%, but I'm talking about the

Re: [WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Lo
I had the same question with the same use in mind: web applications. What you're presumably driving at is that pages look to need be either XHTML 1.0 Transitional or Frameset in order to allow the target attribute. The question that follows from that, albeit somewhat academic at this stage, is

RE: [WSG] Target Attributes - alternative to frames

2004-10-25 Thread Hill, Tim
Have you seen Flex from Macromedia? I think digital web did an article on it a couple of week back. http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/solutions/business/ If you check out the first example on the page about the shopping cart, the forms are very usable. Although I guess it could cost a bit

Re: [WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread Terrence Wood
You are correct, you can not use a strict XHTML doctype if you want to use the target attribute. You can use transitional XHTML. ./tdw On 2004-10-26 3:44 PM, John Horner wrote: Isn't that what XHTML-1.0-Frameset is for?? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Frameset Well no, the

Re: [WSG] Target Attributes

2004-10-25 Thread Terrence Wood
frames, iframes and targets become modules in XHTML 1.1. So they will still be around, but not in the core XHTML DTD. A brief overview of XHTML and modules can be found here: http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/xhtml/index.asp ./tdw On 2004-10-26 5:28 PM, Nick Lo wrote: I had the same question