RE: [WSG] Any ASP.Net standards people here?

2005-01-27 Thread Peter Goddard
Hi David Yes another .Net developer here. Just getting to grips with Visual Studio 2003. I think 2005 version will correct a lot of issues. There are some useful articles on MSDN too. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David R Sent:

Re: [WSG] Any ASP.Net standards people here?

2005-01-27 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:06:12 -, Peter Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've recently had a task to write stylesheet for ASP.Net page and I was really shocked how BAD that code is. Coder that wrote that didn't have any idea of web standards and he said that it's generally impossible to

RE: [WSG] Any ASP.Net standards people here?

2005-01-27 Thread Patrick Lauke
Not sure how good the resources are, but I thought I'd share this site I've recently stumbled across: http://www.aspnetresources.com/ Emphasis is on ASP in relation to Web Standards. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac Still choking

2005-01-27 Thread Joe Leech
It's doing the same here on IE 5.1.7. It's ok here on IE 5.23 on OSX joe ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

[WSG] Help on file extensions used

2005-01-27 Thread ::::dotcompals::::
Dear friends, Can any one help me with the extension used these days in some we pages. For example .gne (flickr.com) .pyra .do (blogger.com). How can these extensions be created what are its advantages? regards = Prashanth Nair dotcompals Tattamangalam.P.O Palakkad Dt. Kerala (State)

Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac Still choking

2005-01-27 Thread Tom Livingston
It's ok here on IE 5.23 on OSX Thanks everyone for taking a look. I did figure it out... thanks to Sarah Wedde. - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page

2005-01-27 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Some delicious points in your reply. Can you direct me to a resource on the subjects presented? I attempted reaching you off-list but the e-mail was returned. C On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 01:01 PM, csslist wrote: since you are using a server-side language you can do an if statement

[WSG] Express Youself

2005-01-27 Thread Chris Kennon
top:expression(body.scrollTop + 4 + px); I'm unfamiliar with CSS expressions. Can someone point me to a source that has been used by list members. Also doesn't this contradict the effort of separation of code and content? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must

[WSG] Help on file extensions used

2005-01-27 Thread Rob Mientjes
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:06:15 -0800 (PST), dotcompals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear friends, Can any one help me with the extension used these days in some we pages. For example .gne (flickr.com) .pyra .do (blogger.com). How can these extensions be created what are its advantages?

Re: [WSG] Any ASP.Net standards people here?

2005-01-27 Thread David R
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Coder that wrote that didn't have any idea of web standards and he said that it's generally impossible to make this code cleaner. Can DataGrids have th for headers? Don't use DataGrids, they're horribly uncompliant, its not overly hard to write your own Custom Server

Re: [WSG] Help on file extensions used

2005-01-27 Thread David R
dotcompals wrote: Dear friends, Can any one help me with the extension used these days in some we pages. For example .gne (flickr.com) .pyra .do (blogger.com). How can these extensions be created what are its advantages? regards Its a server side thing. There are no advantages for the

Re: [WSG] Express Youself

2005-01-27 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:01:20 -0800, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: top:expression(body.scrollTop + 4 + px); I'm unfamiliar with CSS expressions. Can someone point me to a source that has been used by list members. Also doesn't this contradict the effort of separation of code and

Re: [WSG] Express Youself

2005-01-27 Thread David R
Chris Kennon wrote: top:expression(body.scrollTop + 4 + px); I'm unfamiliar with CSS expressions. Can someone point me to a source that has been used by list members. Also doesn't this contradict the effort of separation of code and content? CSS Expressions arn't standard :) ...They're a

Re: [WSG] Help on file extensions used

2005-01-27 Thread Rene Saarsoo
Hi, I think the only advantages of these extensions are dis-advantages. The must-read on this topic is from Tim Berners-Lee Cool URIs don't change: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html If you must use any extension at all - please consider something that anyone finds meaningful. The

[WSG] Imaginary Borders

2005-01-27 Thread Chris Kennon
In the following code the tr#n rules are not taking. I've looked around and have no reason for this failure. Would someone assist? !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;

[WSG] Sliding div, suckerfish nav, and general site check please!

2005-01-27 Thread Mani Sheriar
Greetings All, I have a client that wanted me to completely redo a table-based site he has using css positioning with an eye towards standards compliance (don’t you wish there were more of those clients?!). The page he gave me to work from is: http://dev.cmhhike.com/ He wanted to preserve the

[WSG] Web site review please

2005-01-27 Thread Mani Sheriar
John, I think you have done a marvelous job. And I agree with what you said, “I am using 0.8em, which is resizeable, and that is equal, for example in IE with 12,8 px.” I don’t see why that should be a problem. However of course if someone can enlighten me I’d love to learn. ;o) I increased

Re: [WSG] Web site review please

2005-01-27 Thread Terrence Wood
Nice site, resizing text works well without destroying the layout. Take a look at the nav section (visually) on the left. Does div really provide any semantic meaning to your code? Changing those to headings (or some other structural tag e.g. dl) will give you hooks for your CSS and provide

[WSG] Sliding div, suckerfish nav, and general site check please!

2005-01-27 Thread Mani Sheriar
So I hear from one kind list member that on Safari the secondary nav lists are leaving little bits of themselves on the screen. Very strange. Ive posted the screenshot he sent me of it here: http://www.manisheriar.com/kevjo/cmh/safari.htm Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is

Re: [WSG] Imaginary Borders

2005-01-27 Thread James Denholm-Price
Hi Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED], On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:39:42 -0800, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the following code the tr#n rules are not taking. I've looked around and have no reason for this failure. Would someone assist? This has been discussed on css-discuss before, e.g. [1].

[WSG] Imaginary Borders

2005-01-27 Thread Mani Sheriar
First off try using hex for your colors instead of color names. Next, remove the bottom border from the row1 so that it doesnt override the top border from row2. The resulting code worked for me and looks like this: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN

[WSG] Building with scaling in mind

2005-01-27 Thread Tom Livingston
Hi all, General question for all you seasoned CSS gurus. I was admiring stopdesign.com. I think it's a beautiful layout. But I am having a problem wrapping my head around the concept behind building a page like that so that when text is scaled, the containers don't get all messed up. On

[WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I don't think w3c standards will allow mark-up this way, so I was wondering the best way to mark up a header for a list. looking for standards, and accessibility. what I currently have is: div id=list1 ul class=navlist h3Most Requested/h3 lia href=# title=How to EnrollHow

[WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread Ryan Sabir
Hey all, Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether search engines take any notice of CSS? We have known for a long time that is you have a text coloured the same as its background then search engines will consider this as an attempt to fool them, and lower your pages ranking... but what

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Bruce Gilbert wrote: what I currently have is: I'd simply move the H3 out of the list, as it doesn't belong there div id=list1 h3Most Requested/h3 ul class=navlist ... /ul /div -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.):

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread John Horner
Just put the H3 before the list begins! Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread Darren Wood
I'm not sure if they do. But what I can tell you is that there is no point at all to try and fool search engines. Search engines (google) will give you more rank if your site is honest, well built and on topic. You can try all the tricks in the world...but the fact remains: if your site is

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Paul Novitski
At 02:50 PM 1/27/2005, Bruce Gilbert wrote: I don't think w3c standards will allow mark-up this way, so I was wondering the best way to mark up a header for a list. looking for standards, and accessibility. what I currently have is: div id=list1 ul class=navlist h3Most Requested/h3

Re: [WSG] Building with scaling in mind

2005-01-27 Thread Terrence Wood
without looking at Doug's CSS I'd say he is using a fixed width design with heights in ems (if declared), the rest of it is fantastic use of floats. A discussion on ems can be found at ccs-d: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingEms Doug is a master designer and he is pretty generous in

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Rene Saarsoo
Why not use a definition list: dl dtHeading/dt dd ul liitem1/li liitem2/li liitem3/li /ul /dd /dl Using some Hx for list heading when there actually doesn't exist a level for that heading doesn't make much sense... just pollutes the site with strange headings imho.

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread David R
Darren Wood wrote: if your site is good then people will link to it, if lots of people link to it then google will be more inclined to like your site too. Thats how the concept of googlejuice works anyway, the more links a page has pointing to it, the higher up it gets ...Which can be a bummer

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Novitski wrote: Perhaps more sensible would be to make the heading an item in a top-level list, within which sits your navlist: div id=list1 ul class=navlistbox liMost Requested ul class=navlist lia href=# title=How to EnrollHow to Enroll/a/li

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Rene Saarsoo wrote: Using some Hx for list heading when there actually doesn't exist a level for that heading doesn't make much sense... just pollutes the site with strange headings imho. It depends on the structure of the page, of course. If it would be valid and makes sense within this

Re: [WSG] how to mark up h3 header for list

2005-01-27 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:37 PM 1/27/2005, Rene Saarsoo wrote: Why not use a definition list: dl dtHeading/dt dd ul liitem1/li liitem2/li liitem3/li /ul /dd /dl Using some Hx for list heading when there actually doesn't exist a level for that heading doesn't make much sense... just pollutes

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:14:04 +1100, Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a definitive answer on whether search engines take any notice of CSS? I don't think so. Someone could develop their page full of H1's with dodgy keywords, and simply not display the content of those H1's. We

Re: [WSG] Building with scaling in mind

2005-01-27 Thread Paul Novitski
At 01:30 PM 1/27/2005, Tom Livingston wrote: I was admiring stopdesign.com. I think it's a beautiful layout. But I am having a problem wrapping my head around the concept behind building a page like that so that when text is scaled, the containers don't get all messed up. On stopdesign.com, the

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread Andrew Krespanis
I remember reading a quote from a Google tech. stating that while their system is capable of reading/interpreting CSS, they don't do so due to the excess load it would create. I also remember the same quote mentioning something about sites only getting penalised if someone lodges a complaint

RE: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread Mike Pepper
Take a look at some fought over keyphrases like 'website development' in Google UK. You'll find many sites spamming with irrelevant noscript, off-screen absolute positioned text, minute text, hidden layers, even some cretins with WOW (white-on-white) text. And you know what? Google doesn't do a

[WSG] befuddled over IE with Floats

2005-01-27 Thread Shane Helm
I'm sure I'm overlooking something simple (hopefully). My floats (right column) mess up in Mac IE 5.2.3. I don't have a Windows machine so I'm unsure if it is messed up in IE there too. Probably is. Any help or advice on a fix for this is welcome. XHTML Page: http://sonze.com/dvre/who.html

Re: [WSG] Imaginary Borders

2005-01-27 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:39:42 -0800, Chris Kennon wrote:  In the following code the tr#n  rules are not taking. I've looked  around and have no reason for this failure. Would someone assist? Hi Chris - you seem to have a space between tr and #... in your selector. If so, try it without the space.

[WSG] Accessability of developing multimedia web sites with audio , video, and flash content

2005-01-27 Thread marvin hunkin
Hi. looking to build a multimedia web site, with audio, video, and flash content. how do i make this site accessable? are the tools i use including dream weaver, flash, php, and cold fusion accessable? if so, send me the links to where i can download them. also how do i make like for example

RE: [WSG] Accessability of developing multimedia web sites with audio , video, and flash content

2005-01-27 Thread Craig Millman
Such a lot of info can only be found in one place. Try the resources section of the web standards group website. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of marvin hunkinSent: Friday, January 28, 2005 3:13 PMTo:

Re: [WSG] Search Engines and CSS

2005-01-27 Thread Chris Dimmock
It is my understanding that Google doesn't parse or index .css files, let alone test the whether the css modifies to HTML in a manner designed to manipulate rankings. Try it yourself. Try and find your own websites .css file indexed in Google by searching on the full filename of the .css file.

[WSG] Indented text

2005-01-27 Thread Ryan Sabir
OK here's the thing... I want to put an image on the left of some text, and have the text not wrap back under the image after it goes past it. Here is an example, if you imagine my image being where the XX's are. xxx My text is here xxx and the sentence continues xxx longer and longer

Re: [WSG] Indented text

2005-01-27 Thread Bert Doorn
Hi Ryan I want to put an image on the left of some text, and have the text not wrap back under the image after it goes past it. Here is an example, if you imagine my image being where the XX's are. You could try something like this: div class=whatever img src=whatever alt=whatever / pblah blah