[WSG] site check please! - no frames and position-fixed

2005-04-01 Thread designer
Hello all, I would really really like your feedback on this. I have now completed my investigations into emulating frames with overflow etc, and have settled instead on a very neat method which uses an expression for IE. The method is basically the one by Anne van Kesteren [1] and it's really

[WSG] Crazy IE: background images

2005-04-01 Thread Piero Fissore
Hi everybody, how are things? In these days I came up with a really strange IE problem. Let me explain. If you visit www.immaginecreativa.it/unipn with Firefox (Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, Safari or other GOOD browser) you can see beautiful pictures on the top of the page, under the principal

[WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Stevio
From what I understand, if you want to apply multiple classes to the one element, you do the following: p class=class1 class2 Is this proper valid code accepted in modern browsers or is there anything I should know to concern me with about using it? Thanks, Stephen -- No virus found in this

Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Alan Trick
This is certainly valid code and as far as I know, it is accepted across modern browsers. I've used it quite a lot and have never had any trouble with it. I find it quite useful. Alan Trick Stevio wrote: From what I understand, if you want to apply multiple classes to the one element, you do

Re: [WSG] Extra hidden content

2005-04-01 Thread Alan Trick
Yes, although I'll had that their are certain times when you do want this to happen. I've used this for menus, blocking spiders from emails, and a few other features. Of course as Patrick said, they do need to make sense when stylesheets are disabled. I don't think having two headers is an

Re: [WSG] Any Safari 1.0 users out there?

2005-04-01 Thread Charles Eaton
Nice looking site!!! (as it should be ;^) Unfortunately I don't have Safari 1.0 (using v1.24 by way of auto Mac software updates ...which will be true of most Mac users.) However I did spot an inconsistency on http://www.westciv.com/style_master/product_info/screenshots/24.html ...no right menu.

RE: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Tim Isenheim
Stevio wrote: Is this proper valid code accepted in modern browsers or is there anything I should know to concern me with about using it? In fact, it is valid code and supported by modern browsers. (Not supported by Netscape 4, OmniWeb and IE 4 Mac and some issues with IE in general as

Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 15:03:32 +0100, Tim Isenheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p class=grey justified/p .grey{ color: #cc; } .justified{ text-align: justify; } I strongly disagree. You shouldn't name classes by how they look. span class=red font color=red Read

Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Stevio
- Original Message - From: Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Except that multiple classes selector doesn't really work in Internet Explorer, ofcourse. http://www.quirksmode.org/css/multipleclasses.html Are you meant/allowed to define classes like that page says: The example given is a

RE: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Tim Isenheim
Kornel Lesinski wrote: I strongly disagree. You shouldn't name classes by how they look. span class=red font color=red Read http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/goodclassnames Well, you're right. Please excuse that miscarried example. I only used it arbitrarily for pointing out the multiple-class

RE: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kornel Lesinski Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:56 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:27:35 +0100, Alan Trick [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Multiple classes applied to one element

2005-04-01 Thread pixeldiva
On Apr 1, 2005 4:04 PM, Trusz, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually the example works just fine in IE6. Not strictly. If you look, you'll notice that the third sentence is in smallcaps in IE6 and ordinary in FF. Not much of an issue, but an issue nonetheless. [/pedant] pix

[WSG] New member introduction

2005-04-01 Thread tee
Hi I'd just joined this group, thought it's polite to introduce myself. My name is tee. I am new to web design and interested in web standards/ accessibility. I am very happy to find WSG from google seach just an hour ago. And I happened to launch my site yesterday :) Regards, Tee

Re: [WSG] New member introduction

2005-04-01 Thread Piero Fissore
Nice to meet you! Hope to hear you soon in one of these discussions. Nice site. On Apr 1, 2005 5:22 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I'd just joined this group, thought it's polite to introduce myself. My name is tee. I am new to web design and interested in web standards/ accessibility.

Re: [WSG] New member introduction

2005-04-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Tee, and welcome to WSG. Nice website ;)) cheers, Daniel http://www.gizax.it tee wrote: Hi I'd just joined this group, thought it's polite to introduce myself. My name is tee. I am new to web design and interested in web standards/ accessibility. I am very happy to find WSG from google seach

RE: [WSG] Extra hidden content

2005-04-01 Thread Jonathan Bloy
Stevio wrote: How do you handle the situation of hidden elements becoming displayed when the normal stylesheet is not used? Patrick wrote: Pages should make sense when stylesheets are disabled (for users of screenreaders, text-only browsers, users with css disabled, search engine spiders,

[WSG] your favorite resources.

2005-04-01 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hello all Here's an odd request and I don't mind receiving responses off-list. I will be hosting a workshop on converting web sites to standards-based programming at the Museums on the Web conference next month. This is an annual convention of museum and library web site managers, curators, and

Re: [WSG] Main Content won't Center Align in IE

2005-04-01 Thread Roger Johansson
IE Doesnt understand margin: auto IE6 does, as does IE5/Mac. Only if you are worried about IE5.*/Win do you need the text-align hack. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Crazy IE: background images

2005-04-01 Thread Ingo Chao
Piero Fissore schrieb: ... If you visit www.immaginecreativa.it/unipn with Firefox (Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, Safari or other GOOD browser) you can see beautiful pictures on the top of the page, under the principal navigation menu. If you visit that site with IE, those images won't be loaded! ...

[WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread Stevio
What is the simplest way to line two images up together on the one line, with a gap in-between and a caption centred below the image. The left image should be aligned left against the container, and the right image aligned right against the container. I think I've been working on this too

[WSG] Interesting problem with a fixed nav ... small window doesn't allow scrolling to see all content

2005-04-01 Thread Mani Sheriar
Hi All, I am currently working on this site: http://www.manisheriar.com/willen/home.htm - xhtml and css validate. Initially I had it so that the logo, main image on the left, and links all scrolled with the content. However, I recently started playing around with the idea of these elements being

Re: [WSG] Crazy IE: background images

2005-04-01 Thread Piero Fissore
Oh, thanks a lot! I'll try it! You've been really... perfect! :) :) :) Best regards, Piero. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list

Re: [WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread Stevio
Hi Mani, Thanks for that. It looks nice in Firefox but doesn't work in IE6. Stephen - Original Message - From: Mani Sheriar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:19 PM Try this: XHTML --- div id=container --snip-- View it: http://www.manisheriar.com/wsg/twoImages/ -- No

[WSG] Shrink to accomodate what it contains

2005-04-01 Thread Stevio
Tables will shrink to the width of what they will contain. Is it possible to do this with a div to contain an image with a caption centred below it, without having to set the div to the exact width of the image? Thanks, Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG

RE: [WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Here's a simple cure. p class=floatedimage img src.../ Caption/p Float the paragraph with margins, set a width to keep the text underneath the image. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stevio Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:00 AM To: Web

RE: [WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread Chris W. Parker
Drake, Ted C. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Friday, April 01, 2005 12:57 PM said: Here's a simple cure. p class=floatedimage img src.../ Caption/p Float the paragraph with margins, set a width to keep the text underneath the image. Let's go for some better semantics: div.floated_image

RE: [WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi Chris, et al I used to think it was not semantic to place an image inside paragraph. But I've noticed many leading designers doing such and I believe I read somewhere that it is actually appropriate and semantic to place an image inside a paragraph tag. Can anyone clarify this for me? Ted

Re: [WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread David Laakso
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:31:07 -0800, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, et al I used to think it was not semantic to place an image inside paragraph. But I've noticed many leading designers doing such and I believe I read somewhere that it is actually appropriate and semantic to

Re: [WSG] Two images on the one line

2005-04-01 Thread Mani Sheriar
Thanks for that. It looks nice in Firefox but doesn't work in IE6. Grrr ... our friend IE - gotta love it! I amended the paragraph declarations like so: .left p, .right p { padding:4px 0 8px 0; margin:0 0 4px 0; text-align:center; font:bold .8em/.8em verdana,

Re: [WSG] Any Safari 1.0 users out there?

2005-04-01 Thread James Ellis
Hi Maxine Well, the Safari engine uses the KDE khtml engine. I find testing in Konquerer pretty much mirrors what I have seen in Safari. The easiest and cheapest way to test this would be to find an old Pentium 3 somewhere, install a Linux distro like Suse or Fedora with the KDE desktop

Re: [WSG] Any Safari 1.0 users out there?

2005-04-01 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
James Ellis wrote: find an old Pentium 3 somewhere, install a Linux distro like Suse or Fedora with the KDE desktop environment. Or get Knoppix and run it off the live CD on your main machine http://www.knoppix.org/ (although I've now actually installed it natively on an old Compaq PII laptop

Re: [WSG] Any Safari 1.0 users out there?

2005-04-01 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 2 Apr 2005, at 10:25 am, James Ellis wrote: Once you get the box up and running, you can test layouts on Safari without investing in a Mac. Also useful if you have a Mac and can't backport it to older versions of Safari for testing due to the auto update feature If you have a Mac running

Re: [WSG] Any Safari 1.0 users out there?

2005-04-01 Thread David
It's definitely not nearly as bad. Very few people still have safari 1.0. I do but that's because up until lately I've been too broke to upgrade to 10.3 (which is required for safari 1.2). Plus, the problems in the differences between Safari versions isnt nearly as bad as they are with ie pc.