[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

2010-08-13 Thread Laura Skelley
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Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Mathew Robertson
Tom, I think the answer to that is semantics - div has no meaning. Id's are there for you to manipulate the look and behaviour, the tags themselves offer a way for third parties to glean meaning from the page. e.g you could build an overview of a page by grabbing the first bit of text inside

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Knowles
a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour, doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning. but when everything is in a div, div ceases to have much meaning. It simply says theres a bunch of things on the

Re: [WSG] HTML5 offline storage question

2010-08-13 Thread Rob Crowther
On 13/08/10 05:17, Ryan Seddon wrote: Yeah that is a good point. Although doing so would require the person to visit each page which has it's own manifest before it will be cached. Have you ever tried caching pages which themselves have manifests? If you're referring to the page which

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Chris Knowles w...@ckweb.com.au wrote: a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour, doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning. but when everything is in a div, div

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Jason Arnold
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Chris Knowles w...@ckweb.com.au wrote: a 'div' definitely has meaning, ie: it is a division of one part of the page, from another; whether it is used for other behaviour, doesn't preclude it from from its original meaning. but when everything is in a div, div

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Tom Livingston
Just to add onto Chris' email. This sounds like a good place to suggest people purchase Jeremy Keith's book HTML5 for Web Designers.  In it he actually describes the semantics of the new tags and gives defines when and how to use tags like section article header footer etc.  If you have

RE: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Dan Freeman
Tom, HTML5 allows for the use of the elements header, footer, and aside in multiple instances. For example, an article could have a header and footer: section article header h2Article title/h2

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Tom Livingston
Sorry,, Corrected Structure: div id=wrap               div id=header                       pHeader here/p               /div!-- !End Header --               div id=container class=clear                       div class=article                               Content with an H2, a UL, Ps and

RE: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Ted Drake
Tom, just go for it. You can add the modernizr or similar js to get IE to recognize the elements. But you won't appreciate the semantics of HTML5 until you ditch divs for the new tags. I speak from experience. There's a certain level of awareness you get while trying to decide the most

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread designer
Tom, I have 'played' with the simple elements and I like them. I actually wanted to have a 'page' element (or wrapper) since that is an element that is used an awful lot, but I never got anywhere with folk accepting it. For a simple example, see:

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:11 PM, designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote: Tom, I have 'played' with the simple elements and I like them. I actually wanted to have a 'page' element (or wrapper) since that is an element that is used an awful lot, but I never got anywhere with folk

RE: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Ted Drake
Take a look at the js, it's pretty simple. However, it is true that you are leaving yourself open. At Yahoo, we treat IE6 as an a-level browser. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/ So you aren't going to see me push to change Yahoo! Finance to HTML5 tags. However, I have been doing it

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Tony Crockford
On 13 Aug 2010, at 18:51, Ted Drake wrote: You need to build a site to learn HTML5 semantics, it's like the old days of hybrid table-based layouts. 7 years ago you really needed to ditch tables to truly understand CSS. Are you suggesting that to switch to HTML5 we should avoid the use of

Re: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Tom Livingston
Take a look at the js, it's pretty simple. However, it is true that you are leaving yourself open. At Yahoo, we treat IE6 as an a-level browser. http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/ So you aren't going to see me push to change Yahoo! Finance to HTML5 tags. However, I have been doing

RE: [WSG] Getting my feet wet in HTML5

2010-08-13 Thread Ted Drake
No, I'm suggesting that if you truly want to learn html5 semantics you need to build a site without divs. Once you understand the semantics you can better understand why you would use the new tags and why you would fall back to divs. But to continue working with divs that have semantic class

[WSG] Tracy Gulliksen/ALIC is out of the office.

2010-08-13 Thread TGulliksen
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RE: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

2010-08-13 Thread Thierry Koblentz
I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation (plus it messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing this. Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must, they have

Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate

2010-08-13 Thread Russ Weakley
I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation (plus it messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing this. Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must,

[WSG] accessible html editors

2010-08-13 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi. i know front page is no longer around. but will expression web work well with jaws. need to use a wiyziwig html editor. any suggestions or recommendations. thank you. marvin. *** List Guidelines: