Hi all,
anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti
standards article mentioned here at APC?
Thanks,
John
John Allsopp
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Well to bring it tenuously back on topic...
Take a look at some of the features on that page then take a trip to
alistapart.com with a checklist:
Mountaintop Corners
Sliding Doors
etc...
...and I forget where I've seen that background quotes idea before.
What I'm driving at is not that the
I did a similar thing for a site I am about to design. I have been looking
at various sites for ideas re color, layout, features, etc. and created a
folder for sites I admire in my favorites. This help me narrow down the
ideas I could use on the new site.
At 02:03 AM 5/14/2004, Nick Lo wrote:
John,
http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5
(posted here on April 16 by Iparuan Martinez)
-Hugh Todd
anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti
standards article mentioned here at APC?
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http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5
John Allsopp wrote:
Hi all,
anyone got a link to or can send me the text of that recent anti
standards article mentioned here at APC?
Thanks,
John
John Allsopp
:: westciv
Tina wrote:
So far, I just scout around
the Internet and look for other sites in the same industry or
of the same
subject matter.
I build sites for the government and sticking to sites in the same industry or same
subject matter, would makes some very uninteresting sites. I tend to
The best place is to go to a good quality bookstore that stocks a range of design-related titles. I could name some in Sydney but that's not very useful for many people on the list ... I'm also on the visiting list of a distributor who specialises in design books who comes around to the studio
Hi Aaron,
How about this article, helpfully titled Why tables for layout is stupid.
http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/
Also, I highly recommend Jeffrey Zeldman's book Designing for Web
Standards. It's a great read, for zealots and non-zealots alike :)
K.
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Senior Developer/QC
An experienced designer should ask the right questions.
Cheers!
Peter
On 14/05/2004, at 4:39 PM, Michael Kear wrote:
Frankly I don't think I have the skills to brief a designer
adequately yet. I suspect that's a skill all on its own.
x-tad-bigger
/x-tad-biggerUniversal Head
Design That Works.
Although as I'd already posted today...
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php
...has an objective look at it.
How about this article, helpfully titled Why tables for layout is
stupid.
http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/
Also, I highly recommend Jeffrey Zeldman's
El vie, 14-05-2004 a las 08:55, Nick Lo escribió:
Although as I'd already posted today...
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php
After the 'there's a place for i and b' and 'there's a place for
layout tables' posts, i feel i should be writing my own 'there's a
Chris Keane wrote:
The http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd requires an alt
attribute for images, and the HTML DTD shows a similar requirement:
My understanding follow. I write this from the perspective of having
just done an XHTML/accessibility/usability anal probe on a new
Sorry but there isnt a place for font tags. font has been deprecated and
sooner or later it'll cease working.
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
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Hey John,
As you may have guessed, my post was partly in response to the awful
article in APC mag.
http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/04/
inciting_the_bile_of_the_web_standards_community/
I really didn't want it to become the definitive anti CSS article so
thought a more level headed
Mike et al.
Sorry but there isnt a place for font tags. font has been
deprecated and
sooner or later it'll cease working.
Go to Andy's article, and try replacing the words table and table
layout with font tag.
Works a treat,
Sigh,
John
John Allsopp
:: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/
Ha funny, I've been pointing to...
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php
...which was pointing to your weblog and here you are on the list
anyway!
Next time I should just check the roster and leave you to respond to
the Tables are bad because... posts!
Nick
;-)
I have to admit that I don't get time to post that often so it's not
surprising you didn't know I was on the roster.
Nick Lo wrote:
Ha funny, I've been pointing to...
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/05/13/gasp_tables/index.php
...which was pointing to your weblog and here you are
Of course, you can always look out next week for Ten Questions for Andy
Budd - due to go live on Tuesday some time.
Russ
;-)
I have to admit that I don't get time to post that often so it's not
surprising you didn't know I was on the roster.
Nick Lo wrote:
Ha funny, I've been
Hi,
Having done a couple of WestCiv courses on XHTML and CSS I'm now
starting to
develop my hobbyist site at http://www.gameplan.org.uk/
Don't answer his question. He made the Steelers lose to Cleveland!
I do have a real comment. I think the color of the W3C icons is
beating hell out of your
As you may have guessed, my post was partly
in response to the awful article in APC mag.
While I agree that the APC article needs a literary slapping as often as
possible, I feel that Mr. Budd's devil's advocacy tries to sit on the
fence too much when there's soft grass on one side of it and
I'll agree on the W3C icons. A grey or blue would be a better fit for
the site. Also need to specify a style for the hover on those images,
ridding them of the back background.
Thanks.
I have now downloaded the old IE Browsers and IE5.* makes a right hash of it
with
the centre column
You're quite welcome to mine on http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com.
Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer
www.seowebsitepromotion.com
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Sent: 14 May 2004 11:08
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
OK, folks,
Because I'm nuts (and to aid our hapless Australian Communications
Authority) I've taken on the challenge from Ryan Christie, and rebuilt
the ACA website's front page.
Issues (anyone welcome to help here):
1) I don't know Javascript. I've taken Ben Boyle's cascading menu from
here
IE 5 Mac or Windows?
Cheers
James
Alan Milnes wrote:
I'll agree on the W3C icons. A grey or blue would be a better fit for
the site. Also need to specify a style for the hover on those images,
ridding them of the back background.
Thanks.
I have now downloaded the old IE Browsers and
Hello all,
Anyone have examples of calendars created with CSS? I want to create a
calendar for our clients to see when we have training scheduled, etc.
and I'm curious to see what others have managed.
Thanks.
Barb
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Barbara Dozetos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Physician's Computer
I'd argue that calendars are a prime example of tabular data, so I
would strongly advise against attempting any table-less, pure-css solution that
can convey the exact same semantic structure that a properly built table
with correct THs with row and column scope can give...
Anyway, this could
Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Hello all,
Anyone have examples of calendars created with CSS? I want to create a
calendar for our clients to see when we have training scheduled, etc.
and I'm curious to see what others have managed.
I would say that tabular calendar data is a classic candidate for
IE 5 Mac or Windows?
Windows.
Sorry - should have stated that.
Alan
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yes, folks -- I plan to do this in a tabular layout, but I would like to
see how you all have turned on the CSS to make it fabulous.
Barb
Tonico Strasser wrote:
Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Hello all,
Anyone have examples of calendars created with CSS? I want to create
a calendar for our clients
I was just going to suggest Eric Meyer on CSS as well.
Bruce Gilbert
Webmaster
Durham Public Schools
Durham, North Carolina
(919) 560-9118 -Office Phone
http://www.dpsnc.net
Barbara Dozetos
On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:11:26 -0400, Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Anyone have examples of calendars created with CSS? I want to create
a calendar for our clients to see when we have training scheduled,
etc. and I'm curious to see what others have managed.
You know, while I wouldnt discourage the
El vie, 14-05-2004 a las 15:40, Tonico Strasser escribió:
Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Hello all,
Anyone have examples of calendars created with CSS? I want to create a
calendar for our clients to see when we have training scheduled, etc.
and I'm curious to see what others have managed.
ah, this is exactly the kind of example I was wanting to see. Thanks,
Manuel.
Barb
Manuel González Noriega wrote:
Agreed. For real nice styling, see Mena's calendar
http://www.dollarshort.org/days/
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Barbara Dozetos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Physician's Computer Company
The voices are telling me that Kay Smoljak said on 5/14/2004 1:10 AM:
selfpromotion type=blatant
I blogged it:
http://kay.smoljak.com/archives/?dont-be-a-dinosaur
/selfpromotion
Oh. Well. In that case! There's a peripheral issue that's been
bugging me. And since I think y'all would like to
New redesign for digital web, looks cool.
www.digital-web.com
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Actually, in IE 5.x on mac the block of content under the menu tabs are partially
covered up by the top of the left hand column, so that it appears very broken up. It
looks very nice in NN7, though.
-jon
Barbara Dozetos wrote:
Anyone have examples of calendars created with CSS? I want to create a
calendar for our clients to see when we have training scheduled, etc.
and I'm curious to see what others have managed.
Everyone uses a table for that kind of thing.
You can style the table with css.
http://www.gameplan.org.uk
Well by taking out the percentage width parameters in the tables and cells
it now works on Windows in Mozilla, IE5 and IE6. However that means it
doesn't take all the space available to it. I can get it to use all the
space (on my screen!) by putting a width in pixels
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Can this guy get removed from the list??
What is the deal with these ANNOYING auto reposponders...
Just sounds like its a bot...
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Moved to discussion room:
http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/16.htm
Go for it!
Russ
Active discussions get their head lopped off when they don't have
anything to do with standards. This particular thread covered the value
of a university degree in the web design business...
Hi Tina,
If you use strict then the code and syntax is far more stringent in order
to validate because many tags/elements have been deprecated.
Transitional allows for more flexibility, and less stringent adherence to
standard/compliant markup.
Respectfully yours,
Mario S. Cisneros
I learned
Andy,
I actually wrote about half a dozen different replies to the article and posted none of them, other than my snarky comment on your blog, for which I apologize.
I didn't publish them because they were all a little, well, heated.
I usually write, I hope, with a little levity, and wit, if on
Tina,
So does that mean if I put XHTML 1.0 Transitional that any code that
is of either HTML 4.0 or XHTML 1.0 will be accepted by validators?
forgive me if some of this is a little introductory.
A document type or DTD defines the syntax for an application of SGML
(in the case of HTML, which
Strict also means you have to be careful when including external directly
unsupported multimedia such as Flash files. There are workarounds for this
when using valid object tags but I can't seem to locate a reference for
the kludge. Do a Google and you'll know doubt find it. Probably AListApart
Hi Tina,
I would suggest using HTML 4.01 Transitional over HTML 4.0 but I can't
remember why now. I think (maybe) it is more consistently displayed across
browsers. I know we had a reason to make sure we changed all our stuff years
ago but it was probably to do with NN 4 at that stage.
There is
Lost battle (I tried before), for good off topic discussions go to
CFAUSSIE..
This list is good, but the moderators like to keep it on topic, I think
mainly to please some of the people that work for the government, and these
people (not specifically government people) do not know how to sort or
As long as its valid and well-formed markup then the validator will
acknowledge your site as compliant.
However, if not, then it will provide you a list of errors when using
inproper markup with either HTML or XHTML depending on your DOCTYPE.
I'm sure not sure what version of HTML the validator
LOL - I guess and our mods have opened the discussion up in the forum - If
the Xoops and their brethren were closer to being standards compliant, I'd
seriously ask why not go to a forum type format - easier for all and you can
check and reply as necessary yet avoid topics your not interested in.
Hi all
Having some problems with a site that is crashing IE5 on the Mac (OS8 to
X). The code is moving towards HTML4 compliance with only a few
character errors, tag ends i.e instead of /' , and one id clash
left to fix.
I tested the site and it works perfectly on :
IE5.5, 6 for Windows.
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