[WSG] New Zealand Government Web Guidelines

2005-04-21 Thread Andy Kirkwood | Motive
Hi, NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT WEB GUIDELINES I posted to the group late last year regarding formal implementation guidelines that refer to web standards. Mostly these are created by public sector (government) or government-related organisations. For those interested, we've just added a developer's

Re: [WSG] php-files get horizontal scrollbar ONLY IN IE

2005-04-21 Thread Daniela Hoffmann
I get a horizontal scrollbar (only in IE) in the .php-files which worked fine as long as they were .htm-files. Stefan, it can't be anything about the design, I've now put the width of the inner frameset to 760px (was 660) and it's still the same:

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread James Ellis
Hi all This is starting to push off topic. Please keep it on the topic of accessibility (maybe start a new thread that is more descriptive) or take it elsewhere... and remember our list guidelines about abuse. Thanks James -- admin ** The

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread designer
This is tending to drift off-topic, but it is a valid part of standards because we're discussing accessibility issues in relation to design and the role of 'image' in design. (So now I feel better :-). The attitude that says 'visually impaired people don't matter because it isn't for them' may

[WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread pixeldiva
On 4/21/05, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The attitude that says 'visually impaired people don't matter because it isn't for them' may sound insular, but it isn't. It's merely a matter of fact. The evangelists of the 'everything in the world must be accessible to all' camp are striving

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread Kvnmcwebn
So far we've discussed sites that are basically a flash container with a separate html site for accessabilty. What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the visuals or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)? Right now im building a site that is primarily

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:14:35 +0100, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the visuals or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)? IMHO that is quite OK, if you put inside object some alternative content (images,

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread Jan Brasna
What about hybrid sites where the content is primarily xhtml and the visuals or branding utilize a swf(with alternate content of course)? That's great if it is done by a standards-wise designer, so it's done properly (with the fallback alternatives). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB ::

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread designer
- Original Message - From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)) What about hybrid sites where the content is

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread Jan Brasna
Interesting Jan, how would you do that - any examples? Use the object element properly[1] and insert an alternative in there (image, any styled code - even image map[2] etc. ...). No examples, though. Sorry (can't remember any good). [1] http://alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay [2]

Re: [WSG] php-files get horizontal scrollbar ONLY IN IE

2005-04-21 Thread Stefan Lemmen
Hi Daniela, My first reply didn't make any sense at all when I looked in it further. (I just woke up when I replied) I have had the problem myself too. Couldn't find the problem either. I'm sure there must be a sollution somewhere.. Maybe you could try using some css instead of tables to

[WSG] Ireland web accessibility law?

2005-04-21 Thread Andrey Stefanenko
Dear Sirs. Please give me some advice on Ireland web accessibility guidelines. Is it exist? Some links would be fine. Thanx. Andrey Stefanenko ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread heretic
So, the point is, to say that 'Flash is awful because it's not accessible' and all that stuff is to completely miss the point - it isn't for folk with disabilities - the html option is. Surely? I'd say Flash is mostly a problem because it frequently breaks all usability and accessibility

Re: [WSG] php-files get horizontal scrollbar ONLY IN IE

2005-04-21 Thread Stefan Lemmen
maybe this will help you: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/9798.htm Stefan Lemmen Holland On 4/21/05, Stefan Lemmen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Daniela, My first reply didn't make any sense at all when I looked in it further. (I just woke up when I replied) I have had the problem

Re: [WSG] Ireland web accessibility law?

2005-04-21 Thread Kvnmcwebn
hi andrey, Dont design for broadband anyway. Outside of Dublin, Cork and a few other cities our only options here are SLOW DIAL UP connections or overpriced isdn lines. Also i would more or less make the majority of your content visible at 800 x 600 screen resolution. -kvnmcwebn

Re: [WSG] Accessibility and showcasing heavily visual work (was IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc))

2005-04-21 Thread Kvnmcwebn
One example that uses the satay method and i think some of the other things that were talking about here is. www.disney.com. I think there is also one in the css vault. If you do a search for flash there your will find it. -kvnmcwebn ** The

Re: [WSG] php-files get horizontal scrollbar ONLY IN IE

2005-04-21 Thread Stuart Homfray
Daniela Hoffmann wrote: I get a horizontal scrollbar (only in IE) Jeez, I'd almost gotten over the days of framesets... *shiver* :) Dani, have you tried changing the 'scrolling' attribute from 'auto' to 'yes' on the 'mainFrame' frame? cheers, Stuart -- ===

RE: [WSG] safari list question

2005-04-21 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Is there a filter for Safari? I'd like to define no-repeat for the rest of the browsers and hide it from safari. Thanks Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:26 PM To:

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread Albert Gedraitis
This reply shifts focus a bit, but with the word aesthetics being considered relevant to the discussion, if not the only norm for design of websites, I'd like to speak up for the semiotic dimension. Images also speak like words, but more shimmeringly. I don't refer to an animation or Flash

Re: [WSG] IMAGE(was Mystical belief etc)

2005-04-21 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:46:13 +1000, heretic wrote: Maybe architecture is different in america, but here in australia architects write the construction specification which has very little to do with how anything looks. Yes, aesthetics are a really significant part of the job; however so is

[WSG] helpful links

2005-04-21 Thread Drake, Ted C.
Hi All I just finished doing a workshop in Vancouver at the Museums on the Web conference. I showed museum web site people how they could convert their sites to standards-based/xhtml/css with my friend Brian Rountree. After the workshop, I posted a set of links that were compiled from our

[WSG] Heads up re: skipNav and other jump links

2005-04-21 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi all, I've noticed that many of you are using a container ID as a named anchor (to create a skip nav for example), but I'm not sure if you're all aware that this creates an accessibility issue: the user can jump to the location, but is unable to tab past it. Also, I've found that most of the

RE: [WSG] Heads up re: skipNav and other jump links

2005-04-21 Thread Drake, Ted C.
I've been replacing my a name=deepcontent/a with h3 id=deepcontent Or something similar. Isn't that the most appropriate way of going? Are you saying this would cause accessibility issues with tabbing? I thought name was deprecated. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Heads up re: skipNav and other jump links

2005-04-21 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Drake, Ted C. wrote: I've been replacing my a name=deepcontent/a with h3 id=deepcontent Or something similar. Isn't that the most appropriate way of going? Hi Ted, Try the 2 methods and you'll see how the latter solution disturbs tabbing navigation. Using the former allows UAs to jump to that

[WSG] Window Pop-ups

2005-04-21 Thread Lakshmi_Satyanarayana
Hello! I am writing website develoment guidelines that will be distributed to vendors for conforming to the web standards. I haven't been able to get more information on the implementation of pop-ups and how it will be read by assistive technologies. Does anyone know more about this? We are

Re: [WSG] Web standards as a selling point?

2005-04-21 Thread tee
Hi, I want to express my gratitude to all who answered my question regarding the Web standards as a selling point. I only managed to read through all your messages today, your answers have helped me clarified some doubts I have. Regards, tee From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [WSG] Ireland web accessibility law?

2005-04-21 Thread Steven . Faulkner
This may be helpful, Irish National Disability Authority IT Accessibility Guidelines Legislation and Policy http://accessit.nda.ie/policy_and_legislation.html with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong

Re: [WSG] Please review http://www.mad4f1.com

2005-04-21 Thread Anthony Yeung
The site looks good, works well with Safari, Mozilla, FireFox, Netscape, IE, and Opera. Good content layout, and best of all no tables. - Anthony On 4/21/05, Pixel n Paints [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I am freelancer from INDIA... I have designed a website http://www.mad4f1.com for

Re: [WSG] Re: flash css hybrid example

2005-04-21 Thread Anthony Yeung
I must say this site has a very well designed layout and wonderful structure. I esp. like the Flash implementation. - Anthony On 4/21/05, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heres a good example of a hybrid site that uses flash for presentation and css for content as someone had requested

Re: [WSG] Please review http://www.mad4f1.com

2005-04-21 Thread Anthony Timberlake
Very nice site presentation and I love the way that everything fits in with the theme. Nice use of standards. Very nice site. On 4/21/05, Anthony Yeung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site looks good, works well with Safari, Mozilla, FireFox,Netscape, IE, and Opera. Good content layout, and best of

Re: [WSG] Please review http://www.mad4f1.com

2005-04-21 Thread Steven . Faulkner
A few comments: - the 'driver standings' and 'team standings' are data tables and need to be marked up as tables using the appropriate elements -appears to contain no semantic structure elements (e.g no heading or list markup) -invalid html -no alt attributes on IMG elements with regards

Re: [WSG] Please review http://www.mad4f1.com

2005-04-21 Thread Bruce Morrison
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 21:36, Pixel n Paints wrote: Hi guys, I am freelancer from INDIA... I have designed a website http://www.mad4f1.com for one of my client CSS JS HTML with NO TABLE tags to make it more search engine friendly... I tried to make it ... cross browser compatible But