Re: [WSG] valid video in (x)html?

2008-04-30 Thread Michael Persson
My experience tells that Videos and anmimated things should be made in Flash as streaming is the melody to make this the best way. http://www.vivrecotesud.fr/ script type=text/javascript var so = new SWFObject(swf/visit.swf, objflash, 352, 242, 6, #3f); /script Ohh i didnt

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Joseph Taylor wrote: Great information and clarification everyone. If anyone hasn't taken an underlying message away from the conversation so far, it is to use HTML 4.01 Strict for you web documents when possible... I wonder where you're getting that message from, to be honest... P --

RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-30 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
Hi Thom, finally someone who addressed my original question ;-) We'd tested a few sites, build over the last 18...24 months, and I'm not sure about how much IE-only styles there are. I guess the doctype is mainly XHTML Transitional if at all. I hope once IE8 is out of beta we'll have more

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Quirks mode is the best mode for the old bugger known as IE6, IMO, Care to clarify why, exactly? I listed a few reasons down this page some time ago... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_16.html ...and nothing seems to have changed

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-30 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jens-Uwe Korff wrote: Did anyone do some more testing with IE8? Yes, and I've concluded here... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_32.html Do we know any better release date than mid year? The later the better, as the IE-team got plenty left to fix if they want IE8 to end up as a

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-30 Thread Thomas Thomassen
If there isn't any doctype you won't have to worry. IE8 will use the old render engines for that. -- From: Jens-Uwe Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a

RE: [WSG] valid video in (x)html?

2008-04-30 Thread michael.brockington
And if JavaScript is turned off? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Persson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:37 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] valid video in (x)html? My experience tells that Videos and

Re: [WSG] valid video in (x)html?

2008-04-30 Thread Michael Persson
Dear Michael, Im not ure about the solution with no JavaScript but i consider that alistapart.com or 456bereastreet has clear some solutions. I read about some Satay solution but im not sure that was related to this question.. I believe flash need to be published with javascript as it is also

Re: [WSG] Website Accessability Tools

2008-04-30 Thread James Gordon
I use the firefox plug in, only one i have used, just run it on the page you want testing. James Gordon On 30 Apr 2008, at 11:10, Gaspar wrote: Hello, iam looking for a software to check accessibility but in pages were it needs to be logon. Thanks, Gaspar 2008/4/17 dwain [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Website Accessability Tools

2008-04-30 Thread Gaspar
Hello, iam looking for a software to check accessibility but in pages were it needs to be logon. Thanks, Gaspar 2008/4/17 dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: marvin, here are some tools i use for accessibility and link checking. http://www.tawdis.net -- there is an offline accessibility checker here

[WSG] YouTube API

2008-04-30 Thread James Jeffery
Morning all, Not really used the API much, but im digging into it. I was thinking, would it be worth setting up a .php library (and maybe a .js), object-orientated obviously. For example, someone wanting to get a list of video's from a users account can do something like: $yt-usr-list = new

Re: [WSG] YouTube API

2008-04-30 Thread James Jeffery
VIDEO_ID should be USER_ID My bad ... just woke up with my little idea :P On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 12:03 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morning all, Not really used the API much, but im digging into it. I was thinking, would it be worth setting up a .php library (and maybe a

Re: [WSG] JS Image Slider

2008-04-30 Thread James Jeffery
Yeah i understand that, i agree totally. One member said create a scrolling block with CSS for users that have JS disabled. I said that wouldn't be ideal. I only want to serve up large quanitites of images to users that have JS enabled. If i server up large quantities when JS isn't enabled then

Re: [WSG] JS Image Slider

2008-04-30 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 30, 2008, at 7:17 AM, James Jeffery wrote: could be the case when a user has JS enabled and not CSS I'm having a hard time picturing the circumstances that would prompt a user to choose this option - surely, if such a case does indeed exist, it must rare as ... (pick your cliche).

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Nikita The Spider The Spider
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One argument against the use of transitional doctypes is that they're now more than eight years old which makes them about half as old as the Web itself. Do you want to base your site on what was status quo half

Re: [WSG] JS Image Slider

2008-04-30 Thread James Jeffery
Hi Andrew Dont worry im not considering those rare users :P On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 30, 2008, at 7:17 AM, James Jeffery wrote: could be the case when a user has JS enabled and not CSS I'm having a hard time picturing the

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Joseph Taylor
Patrick, To clarify the below statement: It's really aimed at people who are newer to this stuff and who may be confused/ignorant about doctypes and/or just using whatever doctype Dreamweaver defaults to or whatever, after reading through both Thierry and Russ's example links and thinking

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Joseph Taylor wrote: stick with HTML 4.01 Strict while the work is completed on (X)HTML5 IMHO (and given the depth and breadth of the replies to my original post I'm feeling very humble right now, as well as extremely grateful to you all) - I do think that

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Joseph Taylor
Andrew, Of course its based on taste. Personally I prefer the stricter coding rules of XHTML, but I've found that WYSIWYG editors for the CMSs I produce for clients are far happier in a plain ol' HTML environment. Its probably the editor I usebut none are perfect! My own site is XHTML

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Ca Phun Ung
To throw water into hot oil. Choosing transitional or strict will, in Gecko browser, determine whether your browser activates almost-standards-mode or standards-mode respectively [1]. [1] http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/ -- Ca Phun Ung Web: http://yelotofu.com

[WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Simon
Hi, I've got a search box and login area that I want to use a fieldset and legend on for accessibility but I don't want to show the legend to normal users. Now I can easily hide it with display: none; but I understand this is hidden from certain screenreaders as well, which well render the

Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Lord Armitage
Hy simon, Legends a very nasty to style and position you should wrap the legend text in a span (or some other inline! element) to be able to position it. -- cheers Milan *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Svip
Tried display: none;? Regards, Svip 2008/4/30 Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've got a search box and login area that I want to use a fieldset and legend on for accessibility but I don't want to show the legend to normal users. Now I can easily hide it with display: none; but I understand

RE: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Simon
I can't believe I didn't try that. Works a treat, thanks! Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lord Armitage Sent: 30 April 2008 20:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends? Hy simon, Legends a

Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Svip
Well then, only tell him to use the hidden part for specific media, such as projection or whatever. Don't screenreaders obey that? Regards, Svip 2008/4/30 Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Svip wrote: Tried display: none;? Now I can easily hide it with display: none; but Apparently

Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
I've got a search box and login area that I want to use a fieldset and legend on for accessibility but I don't want to show the legend to normal users. I'm sorry but what is a normal user? Dennis *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Simon
By that I meant someone who sees and interacts with the website in the most common way. Seeing the page, viewing it with CSS images on, using a mouse etc. The user most people design their sites for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WSG] [OT] Posting [was:Best way to hide form legends?]

2008-04-30 Thread Jens Brueckmann
By that I meant someone who sees [...] -Original Message- I've got a search box [...] A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Jens Brueckmann

Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Ben Buchanan
.hidden { position: absolute; left: -999em; width: 990em; } For that method you're missing the overflow rule. Try this: .hidden { position: absolute; left: -5000px; width: 4000px; overflow: hidden; } cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just

RE: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?

2008-04-30 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
I figured that was what you meant. At the same time, it can be a dangerous assumption. For example, by the time an individual starts kicking at 40 years old, changes to the eyes occur. It's called presbyopia. It's a normal course of aging that literally affects 100 percent of people at some

[WSG] HTML 4.01 MAP element prevents links from displaying using a screen reader

2008-04-30 Thread Sandra Vassallo
Hi, I recently come across a problem in Firefox with screen readers (Jaws and Window Eyes) when using the HTML 4.01 MAP element to group links, and thought it would be of interest to others on the list who may be using it as well. It also affects Braillenote's Keyweb. The technique is