Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 9/2/09 07:45, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: How can CSS overflow replace div style=clear:both;/div? See http://www.ejeliot.com/blog/59 -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 9/2/09 07:45, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: How can CSS overflow replace div style=clear:both;/div? See http://www.ejeliot.com/blog/59 Thanks, but I find the extra DIV no more objectionable than the hackery and extra CSS described

RE: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Paul Collins
Isn't CSS about seperating presentation from content? You apply it once in your CSS as opposed to multiple times in your HTML. In actual fact, if you're only developing for IE6+, Firefox 2+, Webkit Browsers, Opera, you only need the overflow:auto; usually. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 9/2/09 02:44, Gerard Hynes (Gmail) wrote: I'm not expert about screen readers, but I did run a site I upgraded through JAWS with some interesting results. The site had alot of pnbsp;/p due to the CMS they were using and JAWS would translate this to/speak out blank which wasn't ideal. Am not

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread James Ducker
On a side note, there is a Firefox addon that reproduces JAWS-like output (in text), called Fangs. Link: http://www.standards-schmandards.com/projects/fangs/ - James *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Juarez P. A. Filho
Wow... Learned a lot on this topic. Actually I'm using overflow:auto but be careful, when zoom in the page sometimes that can break your layout. -- Regards, Juarez P. A. Filho Front-End Developer and Web Consultant http://juarezpaf.com The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of

[WSG] Web standards and portal technology

2009-02-09 Thread Juli Waddell
Good morning, Our company currently builds our secure websites on the IBM WebSphere platform using JavaServerPages. We are now just starting to do a proof of concept of the IBM Portal technology with the thought of moving the sites to portal. We are also considering switching from JSPs to

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Joseph Taylor
Ben, That's a great link. It also shows that an extra empty element, while it may be the easy way out works across the board without side effects of any kind. Yes it is mixing content and presentation. Joseph R. B. Taylor Designer/Developer --- Sites by Joe,

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Joseph Taylor
While the nbsp; does represent nothing in a way, it is something and I would say that it's use would be slighty worse than a purely empty element. Joseph R. B. Taylor Designer/Developer --- Sites by Joe, LLC Clean, Simple Elegant Web Design Phone: (609) 335-3076

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Joseph Taylor wrote: That's a great link. It also shows that an extra empty element, while it may be the easy way out works across the board without side effects of any kind. Yes it is mixing content and presentation. Many DIVs (and SPANs) are, in fact, used for

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Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-09 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ben Lau wrote: Are there any (seriously) bad implications of having empty DIVs around your HTML document? I understand from that that you mean nested divs, for multiple backgrounds etc. A few extra divs means nothing other than extra weight, but I have managed to break a few older browsers