RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-07-01 Thread Thierry Koblentz
As a follow-up to my original email, the following methods have been very well designed from the accessibility point of view: http://juicystudio.com/article/ecmascriptmenu.php http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200705/accessible_expanding_and_c o llapsing_menu/ A further example

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Mathew, http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp I have a bug report... tested against FF 3.6.4 and IE6 (no bug under Chrome 5.0.376) Steps to reproduce: - click on background - tab to focus first menu item - hit enter to display sub-items - tab through to

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-30 Thread Foskett, Mike
instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu) Hi Mike, Sorry to say this but the keyboard friendly version: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp Only fires, via keyboard, on Articles E-K in IEv8 or Firefox. This is by design. Keyboard users

FW: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-30 Thread Grant Bailey
As a follow-up to my original email, the following methods have been very well designed from the accessibility point of view: http://juicystudio.com/article/ecmascriptmenu.php http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200705/accessible_expanding_and_co llapsing_menu/ A further example worth

Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread David Dorward
On 29 Jun 2010, at 00:30, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au wrote: I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. Trying to shoehorn functionality (which is what JS was designed for) into CSS (which is designed for presentation, not logic) is not good for

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Web Dandy
www.facebook.com/pages/Web-Dandy/171945798743 _ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of David Dorward Sent: 29 June 2010 07:15 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-29 Thread Grant Bailey
Thank you to everyone who replied to my email. Kind regards, Grant Bailey -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 10:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread John Stericker
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu) On 29 Jun 2010, at 11:04, de...@littlegent.com wrote: I'd recommend using one from http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menus/ The trick is deciding which one to use, really. =) Having

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread daniel a. thornbury
I used to use cssplay menus 6+ years ago but they're not the friendliest or most compliant to work with. I really like superfish - i've been using that for a few years with no problems at all. and I find it very easy to customise. http://users.tpg.com.au/j_birch/plugins/superfish/ I

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Try this for CSS menus with keyboard support: http://carroll.org.uk/sandbox/suckerfish/bones2.html This menu may be accessible, but is it usable? Unless I am missing something, keyboard users need to go through *every single link* in the menu to reach the last item :-( I have these two:

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Foskett, Mike
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: 29 June 2010 16:22 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu) Try this for CSS menus with keyboard support: http://carroll.org.uk/sandbox/suckerfish/bones2.html This menu

RE: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Mike, Sorry to say this but the keyboard friendly version: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp Only fires, via keyboard, on Articles E-K in IEv8 or Firefox. This is by design. Keyboard users could not reach these pages if they were not focusable at least

Re: Using CSS instead of JS for accessibility (was Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu)

2010-06-29 Thread Mathew Robertson
Sorry to say this but the keyboard friendly version: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/keyboard_friendly_dropdown_menu/EK.asp Only fires, via keyboard, on Articles E-K in IEv8 or Firefox. This is by design. Keyboard users could not reach these pages if they were not focusable at least from

[WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread grant_malcolm_bailey
Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing I'm looking for is the expandable / collapsible hierachy commonly shown in the left-hand frame of Windows programs such as Explorer or Outlook. I'm trying to

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Jelina Korhecz
Hi Grant, I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but this might help: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns Unfortunately, this does require some javascript as IE doesn't support a few CSS elements. Cheers, Jelina On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM,

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Stephane Blanchard
Hi Grant, Maybe this can help: http://free-css-menu.com/vertical-css-menu.html SteF. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:30 PM, grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.auwrote: Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Josh Godsiff
If you're talking about a tree-like menu, I've never come across a purely CSS one. It strikes me that CSS alone doesn't have the vocabulary to deal with something that requires an 'expanded' and 'collapsed' state. If you're worried about accessibility, either * expand it all by default,

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Sam Dwyer
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of grant_malcolm_bai...@westnet.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 9:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu Hello, I would be grateful if someone could clarify whether there is such a thing as a pure CSS expandable menu. The sort of thing

Re: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Seona Bellamy
Hi Grant, You're meaning the sort of tree-menu arrangements that have a little plus next to items with children, and clicking the plus makes the children appear and push the other elements further down, right? I don't believe what you're looking for is possible, as that sort of hierarchical menu

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Grant, I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. There is no problem with using a javascript powered menu as long as that menu is accessible with javascript off. As a side note, pure CSS menus usually come with usability issues. -- Regards, Thierry

RE: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu

2010-06-28 Thread Ted Drake
: [WSG] CSS Expandable Menu Hi Grant, I'm trying to avoid use of Javascript due to accessibility concerns. There is no problem with using a javascript powered menu as long as that menu is accessible with javascript off. As a side note, pure CSS menus usually come with usability issues. -- Regards