Re: [WSG] Job Position: THREAD CLOSED

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[WSG] ADMIN - Vacation messages and the WSG list

Hi all, A quick reminder... The WSG mail list guidelines state: "If you are going away and setting a vacation message, please edit your preferences so that you only receive the Announce list or we'll delete you from the list" http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm So, if you are turni

Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - ADMIN - very close to closing thread!

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Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - THREAD CLOSED!

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Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites - THREAD CLOSED

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[WSG] ADMIN - Maria has left the building, and won't be returning.

ADMIN Please do not reply to messages posted by Maria Solange Siebra Borges. This users has been taken out of the system. As always, if you havge comments about the mail list or the running of the mail list, then email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not send these comments to the list. Thanks for your pat

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

There are about 65 so far. The user has been deleted and we are working on the issue. Apologies to all. Russ on 14/7/07 8:16 AM, Nancy Gill at wrote: > Is there a way to turn this guy off? I just got about 15 of these in my > email. > > Thanks! > > *

Re: [WSG] Free Web Hosting With No Adds - ADMIN

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Re: [WSG] opinions on the sale of .com.au - ADMIN

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[WSG] ADMIN - You MUST take yourself off the list if setting an "away" message

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Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

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Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

I can only assume this is an attempt at trolling... Either that or phrases like "the web is for everyone" has fallen on deaf ears. Luckily, there are laws in many countries to stop companies and agencies "doing whatever the hell the like" when it comes to website and accessibility. Russ > > A p

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

> Which idea of accessability should be imposed? Yours? Mine? There are clearly defined "ideas" of accessibility for most countries - such as the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0: http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ Or Section 508 in the case of America: http://www.section508.gov/ In A

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard -ADMIN

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Re: [WSG] source order

> Is there a prevailing wisdom in this matter? > Content first? Or navigation first? > You're probably referring to this: "It is our view, that a continuation of the practice of placing navigation before the content of the page will benefit some screen reader users, in particular those users who

Re: [WSG] Priority 2 error - Clearly identify the target of each link.

Hi Tee, Is it an "Idiotic error"? Imagine you're blind... Like a sighted user, you want to be able to skim across web pages rather than having to read every single word. For sighted users this is easy, as their eyes can grab snippets of content and subheadings to give them some context - withou

Re: [WSG] Priority 2 error - Clearly identify the target of each link.

> You have given a good reason, still, I think that criteria should > have room for flexibility (just as George has given the same reason) > because, link texts in the articles aren't the same and the excerpt > of the article should have given enough information for a user > (including screen reade

Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash - ADMIN

ADMIN A reminder to all WSG members (and this is not directed at any one individual) this list is all about helping each other. Please refrain from attacking, abusing or ridiculing anyone. Be civil and courteous. If you have nothing positive, informative or helpful to say, please refrain from sha

[WSG] How to make DHML cover flash - ADMION - THRERAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] Accessible likert scale (disagree/agree/strongly agree/etc) forms

Hi Nick, The sample code on this page you link to does not look ideal. As has been mentioned on this list a few times, title attributes are often ignored by screen readers. And the use of a table element to lay out the form is a little odd. Unless I am missing something, I'd say it would be much

[WSG] Mail issues

Hey all, As you know, we are experiencing some mail issues. The "read receipts" issue has been resolved and the offender removed from the WSG system. However, the double posts has not yet been resolved. It appears that the problem is not with the WSG mail server but being caused by someone who i

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust ... ADMIN

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[WSG] Compatibility and IE8

Hi all, Have you been following the discussions on the IE8 and compatibility for the last couple of days? For those that haven't been following it (or have deliberately run away to hide), here are a few articles to read :) Here is how it all began...

Re: [WSG] Revolutionary news

> May I also add that I do not trust this enough to add it to my flowchart > that I've done to illustrate MS proposal... (Which hits a nasty bug in > FFox!) It is a very interesting chart (I haven't seen anyone map out the IE8 situation this well), but it also renders poorly in Safari (can't read

Re: [WSG] hello

Have a read of these for the official definitions or descriptions of web 2.0: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20.h tml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2 A good slide show on the topic: http://www.andybudd.com/presentations/dcontruct05/ Or, sit down with so

Re: [WSG] hello

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Re: [WSG] hello - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] hello - [OT]- ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] hello - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED - AGAIN!!!

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Re: [WSG] data generator

Gary was having a bad day. He's now left the list. Don¹t take his comments personally, anyone! Let¹s all calm down and focus on the topic. Thanks Russ > Looks to me like Gary was talking to all of us, or do > I understand _list_ differently to others? > Joe *

Re: [WSG] strong element being more semantical and accessible for required field

> I can't speak for screen readers since I've never used one my self... > But would there be any reason you couldn't do both and please the > client and the screen reader(assuming it does help them)? a simple > * First Name > > Just something I thought of :) Interesting discussion. You could also

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

> How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users > update their browsers? > > I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? Yes, I can predict. IE8 goes on-line August 4th, 2009. Human decisions are removed from strategic browser development. IE8 begins to learn, at

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

--- ADMIN --- Hi all, We have had some complaints that this "SEO, fact or fiction" thread is off-topic. We have left it alone till now as the list has been surprisingly (spookily) quite for the last week. However, the thread has now gone on long enough.

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

Hey Dwain, 1. be aware than NN4 has appalling support for CSS so your styles will have to be quite simple. For example, NN4 requires borders around any containers where background colour and padding are used - in order for the background colour to spread out behind the padded areas. 2. you will p

Re: [WSG] netscape 4 and css

Hi Dwain, Hard to tell what is going on... Can you put a simplified version online for us to see? Easier for people to help then :) Thanks Russ > when i view this site on the internet with nn4 the design breaks. i expected > this. nn4 sees the background png and the background images as well

Re: [WSG] Centering Elements

Try this explanation: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/center/ HTH Russ on 10/4/08 8:31 AM, Chris Kennon at wrote: > Hi, > > I yet to devise an elegant solution centering all elements within > div#innerContainer. Would a gifted Standardista offer an elegant > backward compatible soluti

Re: [WSG] IE 6 bugs

> So this is one of those famed IE 6 bugs that is hopefully going away > soon. Two issue sidebar shows up on top and not on the side and some of > the fields have a yellow background (less important issue) Without looking in detail, when a column drops in IE6 there are normally 2 common reasons.

Re: [WSG] Spam mail got through? ADMIN

ADMIN Apologies to all for this post. The person responsible for the email has been removed from our list. As Andrew says, please let us know if you have problems rather than post to the list (to avoid additional traffic for members) - using the email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Russ on 28/4/08

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

> "Pages that validate as strict are superior to transitional because Because the strict doctype helps us follow one of the principles of best practice - "to remove all presentation from markup". To do this fully, we should aim to remove all presentational elements and attributes from our markup.

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

>> For example, I don't use the strict doctype because, its better, cooler >> etc. I use it because it makes IE6 more predictable as the traditional >> doctype puts the browser into quirks mode which makes for a few more css >> display oddities. > This is not entirely correct. There is a confusi

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

Hey Dory, There are probably more detailed outline of all the differences but the ones listed are a start. If you are after strict validation, then the W3C's HTML validator is your friend. When you test a document using the tool it will tell you what is invalid and (even though the explanations a

Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?

>> CSS classes are for presentation. >> Content is content. >> Centering content is presentation. >> Class names should not use keywords such as "center". >> "centre" is not a keyword and can be used. >> The class "centre" can then be used anywhere centering is desired. >> >> It is quite easy to r

Re: [WSG] Feedback - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

ADMIN _ THREAD CLOSED Hi Matthew, Happy to chat with you about mail list options, but this should be sent to the list admins, rather than to the list. All of these sort of comments, enquiries, suggestions should go to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Russ on 15/5/08 8:50 AM, Matthew Chambers at wrot

Re: [WSG] 5.3 Expansion of abbreviations and acronyms in a document

> http://.co.nz/rss/"; >RSS News Feed I'd go for something similar to your option 2: http://.co.nz/rss/";> RSS News Feed The advantage of using the abbr element instead of just the is that users can hover over the "RSS" and receive additional information. Why an instead of an ? It comes

Re: [WSG] Join me on Last.fm! - ADMIN

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Re: [WSG] Job posting - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate

Maybe a mac thing but I have have a variety of FF versions (as well as Moz, Opera, Safari, IE and Netscape versions) going back in time on one laptop and can open any as needed. The only limitation I've noticed with Moz related browsers is that you can only open one at a time. on 18/6/08 10:17 PM

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

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Re: [WSG] Please unsubscribe me - ADMIN

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Re: [WSG] hoot of the day - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] Spice up your mobile - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

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[WSG] Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? ADMIN

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[WSG] Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2 Now Available

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/08/27/internet-explorer-8-beta-2-now-a vailable.aspx Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscri

[WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

Some of the many comments about the proposed new Google browser... http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/ http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-01-n47.html http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10029914-2.html http://www.readwrite

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

> Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore. An interesting discussion. Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely huge and complex one. >From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing... offering full support for latest br

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???

> The short answer is yes > > Details of the accessibility of internet Explorer can be found in the > VPAT (voluntary product accessibility template) supplied by Microsoft: > (http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/3/c23bc250-5f80-4d0c-a29d-877355ff > 91e8/IE7_VPAT%20version%201%200.doc) Than

[WSG] Accessible Forms using WCAG 2.0- an interesting article by Roger Hudson

Hi Folks, In case you are interested... Roger Hudson has written a detailed article called Accessible Forms using WCAG 2.0. The article provides practical advice about the preparation of accessible HTML forms. http://www.usability.com.au/resources/wcag2/ More importantly, it compares the WCAG 1.

Re: [WSG] Fieldsets & Legends

Hi Clare, Roger Hudson recently wrote a detailed article on legends and fieldset - including a series of movies showing both JAWS 9 and Window-Eyes 6.1 in action. The article is here: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/wcag2/ The relevant movie is here: http://dotsub.com/view/0064d19b-a8da-47

Re: [WSG] Email form builder - ADMIN

ADMIN As this is off topic, please email Paul directly off-list. Thanks Russ > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that sends an > email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of databases. I'm > trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like t

Re: [WSG] PHP DEVELOPER SYDNEY NEEDED! - ADMIN

ADMIN Please reply to Levell off-list as this is off-topic Thanks Russ on 30/10/08 2:39 PM, Levell Rampono at wrote: > Hi All, > > I¹m looking for a PHP developer to do some work on a number of site (Sydney). > > If you are looking for work please let me know [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: [WSG] Who are the "Away on leave" Notices from? ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

ENOUGH! THREAD CLOSED 1. the issue is something we are aware of. The entire mail system will soon be changing so this issue will no longer be present. Please be patient. 2. We have just had 13 people complain about it, on list, which has created more noise than the last month of real "away on le

Re: [WSG] Who are the "Away on leave" Notices from? THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED, THREAD CLOSED!

THREAD CLOSED If there are any more posts to this thread I will have to come to your houses, one at a time... Comments? Do so offlist. Please, do not continue this pointless discussion. Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://w

Re: [WSG] Re: Some links for light reading (11/11/08)

Didn't notice - but how funny :) on 11/11/08 11:28 PM, Dave Hall at wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 22:33 +1100, russ - maxdesign wrote: > >> The Ethics of Quick Backlinking Strategy >> <http://monsterboxpro.com/2008/11/7/high-page-rank-30-minutes-simple-backlink

Re: [WSG] Web governance - IGNORE POST

ADMIN Please ignore this post. Focus on the initial question post by Andrew. For those wondering, this post is wrong for two reasons: 1. totally unrelated to list purpose 2. hijacked an existing thread for totally unrelated topic. Thanks Russ on 24/11/08 4:58 PM, Tony Paterson at wrote: > La

Re: [WSG] is there a way to force legend text shows in TWO lines?

Hey Paul, 1. almost all browsers left-indent the legend element to some degree. They use different amounts, with IE being slightly different to most other browsers. 2. This may have been mentioned in the thread before but FireFox will not allow the legend element to be positioned at all. However,

Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply - ADMIN

ADMIN This user has been temporarily removed from the system. Apologies all Thanks Russ > It says lol ­ 5th of Jan ­ anyone want to call him? > anybody know when Geoff is coming back?? > > I am on vacation until 5 January 2009. **

Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT - THREAD CLOSED

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[WSG] The WSG core team

Hi all, The WSG has a core team who are made up from founding members and City meeting organisers. This core team is involved in overall directions and decision-making to do with the WSG. They are also around to help keep the list on topic, as Peter and I cannot be available 24 hours a day. The co

Re: [WSG] Order of a state (link, visited, etc) styles in a stylesheet

> Does the order matter? Yes! read here: http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/selectors/p_class_s electors.html > If so why and is my order above correct? Yes, your order was correct > Do we need to have all states styled? No you do not need to style all states Russ The

Re: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

I speak regularly to David Woodbridge, a blind user at the Royal Blind Society, Sydney. We used David to test a few of our site over the last few years. Before meeting David I always read that navigation should be last I nthe source. I asked David this when he came to talk to the WSG recently and

[WSG] Some links for light reading...

Dan Cederholm asked people to send in web standards links for a free copy of his book. 485 people responded. http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/06/16/contest.html In return the community has gained a huge list of web standards links, which Steve Smith has compiled into an ordered list: http:/

[WSG] Ten questions for Molly Holzschlag

Molly Holzschlag is an active and passionate member of the Web Standards Project who is dedicated to providing easy-to-access information about Web markup and design via her books, articles, courses, conference events and website Molly talks about her books, standards, CSS vs tables, the IE factor

[WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css

Project Mars - Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Peter Ottery put this presentation together for the Sydney meeting of the Web Standards Group on Thursday June 10, 2004. It outlines the process he and his team used to take the SMH and Age sites from table based layouts to full CSS.

[WSG] Free presentation for Sydney WSG members and their bosses

As a preview to WE04, Web Essentials and the Web Standards Group will be hosting a free briefing in Sydney for executives and decision makers, addressing the business issues associated with web standards and accessibility. In other words, we want you to bring your bosses along for a short presenta

[WSG] Some links for reading...

Fluid Shadows: http://www.thoughtanomalies.com/archives/2004/06/20/fluid_shadows/ Structural Naming: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/06/26/structural-naming/ Integrated Web Design: Strategies for Long-Term CSS Hack Management: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=170511 Val

[WSG] Web Essentials Early Bird registration

Web Essentials Early Bird registration close this Thursday, July 1 Please note that our early bird special, of $100 off the regular price of $750, closes this Thursday. To take advantage of this offer by midnight Thursday, simply sign up: http://www.we04.com/ Keep in mind too, if you are in Sydn

Re: [WSG] CSS Block Element Probs...

Chris, >From a quick look, you seem have two problems - the box model issue and a border issue: 1. IE misinterprets the box model so your "navigation" div appears thinner in this browser compared to other browsers. http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/about-boxmodel.htm There are many ways to

[WSG] Ten questions for Richard rutter

Richard Rutter, of Clagnut fame (http://www.clagnut.com/) talks about liquid layouts, scaling images access keys, ems, and the standards-based rebuild of Multimap. http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/richard-rutter.cfm Russ The Australian Museum. Australia's first - and leading - natural scien

[WSG] The man in blue - presentation to Melbourne WSG

As many of you may know, Cameron (the man in blue) gave a talk to Melbourne WSG recently. He has just posted "a more eloquent enunciation of the ideas in the first half" of his presentation... http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/07/02/ Enjoy. Russ The Australian Museum. Australia

Re: [WSG] Looking for help and critiques on a new site

Seona, Messages get missed. People are busy and help when they can. Don't read anything into it :) 1. your first problem is due to this:   Take out the non-breaking space and your columns will sit against the top of the viewport. It affected the left and middle column because they are in norm

[WSG] Some links for light reading...

The Practice of CSS Column Design: Boxes in Columns http://www.communitymx.com/abstract.cfm?cid=CB7B3 A navbar using lists http://www.westciv.com/style_master/house/tutorials/quick/list_navbar/index. html Learning CSS http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/learning_css.php Per-site user styles

Re: [WSG] Trapping margins .. whats that?

Hi Mike, Basically, the margin top of a child element can (theoretically should) poke out the top of the parent element if no border or padding are applied to the parent. To stop this occurring, top border or padding can be applied to the parent and the child's margin is 'trapped' within the paren

[WSG] Web Accessibility Consultant needed for not-for-profit Australian company

We don't normally post jobs to the list but this one may be useful for Aussie members. Web Accessibility Consultant needed Accessible Information Solutions [1] is a business of the National Information and Library Service [2] that provides consultancy and training in design and development of acc

[WSG] Ten quick tests to check your web site for accessibility

Ten quick tests to check your web site for accessibility http://www.accessify.com/tutorials/ten-quick-tests.asp Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on p

Re: [WSG] Underlining tabbed to links

Hi Ben, Please send the list a sample url so that people can see exactly what you have done and will then be better informed to help you. Russ > > Hi all, > > I have been trying to get a link to underline and change colour when > tabbed to. I succeeded in getting the link to change colour when

Re: [WSG] Re:

The previous email wasn¹t from me, we are looking into it. Don¹t answer or respond to it please. Thanks Russ (the real Russ) >> Predators > > > Password: > > The Australian Museum. Australia's first - and leading - natural sciences and anthropology museum. Visit www.amonline.net.au The vi

[WSG] Latest Thinking in Usability & IA

For WSG members in Sydney or Canberra who may be interested... Latest Thinking in Usability & IA = Thursday, 29 July 2004 Hyatt Hotel, Canberra Full event details: http://www.steptwo.com.au/seminars/040729/index.html Introductory Usability Testing

[WSG] Sydney WSG meeting 5th August

Hi Sydney members, The next Sydney WSG meeting will be held on 5th August - Thursday week. Agenda: 7.00pm - 7.15pm John Allsopp "WE04 - things are hotting up!" 7.15pm - 7.45pm Russ Weakley "A web standards checklist" How do you know your site is web standards compliant - with a detailed checkl

Re: [WSG] nested lists as menus...

Hi Scott, These two lists may help: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic2/horizontal03.htm or: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic2/horizontal01.htm Russ on 30/7/04 5:18 AM, Scott Reston at wrote: > thanks! > > just to clarify, i'm not trying to create drop-downs. just style the menu so

[WSG] Some light reading

Throwing Tables Out the Window http://www.stopdesign.com/articles/throwing_tables/ These web sites are identical - or are they? http://phnk.com/design/survey/ A Programmer's Perspective of CSS http://www.uptodata.com/css/ CSS 1.0 Once-A-Day http://www.weeklystandards.com/archives/2004/07/26/css

Re: [WSG] Problem with 3 column layout

I'd start in this page, which has links to many options: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=AnyColumnLongest If you want to use background images you could also try these two... Fixed width layouts: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/ Liquid middle column layout: http://css.maxdesi

Re: [WSG] Ikon, where are you? - CLOSE THREAD

OK all, This thread is now closed. No more about Ikon Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

[WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar

Update on Web Accessibility Toolbar Accessible Information Solutions recently released the latest version of their Web Accessibility Toolbar: Version EN 1.1 http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/ New features include: - one step access to enable/disable IE settings - keyboard access to

[WSG] some light reading...

:hover Considered Harmful: http://adactio.com/journal/display.php/20040804214738.xml What is Œthe flow¹?: http://xmouse.ithium.net/archives/2004/08/03/what-is-the-flow Centered links: http://realworldstyle.com/archives/86.html Most common CSS problems: http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/0

[WSG] Sydney WSG meeting

Thanks to all those who attended last nights Sydney WSG. We had 38 people, so it was another big night. There were three topics covered. 1. WE04 update John Allsopp talked about the upcoming Sydney Web Essentials conference (http://we04.com). One exciting addition to the program will be the "Web

[WSG] Adopting Web Standards - Free briefing for Education and Government

Adopting Web Standards Free briefing for Education and Government Government and education are at the forefront of the adoption of web standards. To aid in this process, Web Essentials is hosting this free briefing, featuring the W3Cs Dean Jackson, and highly respected web accessibility expert Rog

[WSG] Sydney WSG meeting

Thanks to all those who attended last nights Sydney WSG. We had 38 people, so it was another big night. There were three topics covered. 1. WE04 update John Allsopp talked about the upcoming Sydney Web Essentials conference (http://we04.com). One exciting addition to the program will be the "Web

Re: [WSG] guide to CSS inheritance

Inheritance gets a bit trickier when you start talking about font-sizes, as they inherit the 'computed value'. A detailed explanation here (under font size and inheritance): http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/advanced_inheritance.htm More on computed values: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/c

[WSG] Some light reading...

Westciv's free online CSS course - week 1 of CSS Level 1: http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html A Better Image Rotator: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterrotator/ WaSP Interviews Jim Ramsey on the redesign of The San Francisco Examiner http://www.webstandards.org/learn/interviews/

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