Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
We tested DW8 recently, Contribute 3 also uses this latest renderer. Its CSS support is a big improvement over the previous version. It still has a way to go yet. We picked up some issues with negative margins and other issues regarding floats. But if you keep these little issues in mind when building a site you can actually get pretty good results in Contribute. ( not as many notcieable rendering problems ) and reduce the number of why does it look all weird in Contribute phone calls. Cheers CB
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
Well, I'm new to DW8 I used to hand coding but it's taking time to deliver sites, so I'm learning to use DW, and it seems to be good, at least till now. Code wise it can do everything for you, semantic wise you will have to be careful and the internal validate doesn't work 100% properly with xhtml strict, but that's fine ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
I moved from Dreamweaver to hand coding because it was faster for CSS layout based sites. For working on older table based sites then Dreamweaver is handy for navigating around the nested layouts. On a related note, can anyone suggest a text editor that features an auto complete (for tags and attributes). Also, if it had Dreamweavers ability to select blocks of tags (from open tag to close tag and everything in between) that would be fantastic. Jad Madi wrote: Well, I'm new to DW8 I used to hand coding but it's taking time to deliver sites, so I'm learning to use DW, and it seems to be good, at least till now. Code wise it can do everything for you, semantic wise you will have to be careful and the internal validate doesn't work 100% properly with xhtml strict, but that's fine ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
Samuel, we are not talking about any version of DW, we are talking about the latest version of dreamweaver, which seems to be promising, and seems to be a good tool to deliver standards based sites. I'm not sure about previous versions of DW, and what draw my attention to DW8 is they are marketing it as the 'web standards compliant tool' and it seems to be a fact at least till now. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
Samuel Richardson wrote: I moved from Dreamweaver to hand coding because it was faster for CSS layout based sites. For working on older table based sites then Dreamweaver is handy for navigating around the nested layouts. On a related note, can anyone suggest a text editor that features an auto complete (for tags and attributes). Also, if it had Dreamweavers ability to select blocks of tags (from open tag to close tag and everything in between) that would be fantastic. You might have a look at Karlis Blumenthals' excellent HTMLPad [http://www.blumentals.net/htmlpad/] (US$25.85). I've been using it for a couple of years now (having tried quite a few other free/low priced editors) but this one just seemed the perfect bridge between a plain text editor and a fully blown wysiwyg editor. The latest version is called Webuilder [http://www.blumentals.net/webuilder/] (US$39.85) but if cost is an issue for you, I can't recommend HTMLPad highly enough. Related note: I don't use Dreamweaver but I think you could easily replicate the ability to select blocks of tags by adding these to your code library and selecting from there each time. If I had the spare funds I'd also be using Westciv's StyleMaster [http://www.westciv.com/style_master/index.html] (US$59.99). Even though I can easily edit css in HTMLPad, StyleMaster has enough bells whistles (the x-ray feature http://www.westciv.com/style_master/product_info/index.html#xray to name but one) to justify the extra cost. You might also like to have a look at the css-discuss list of editors: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssEditors . Daisy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/128 - Release Date: 10/10/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
I've been using DW8 (demo) since Friday and it's really very good. I'm using it mainly in code view, but its design view does an excellent view of rendering CSS layouts, a major improvement over MX 2004. It means that I'm not having to preview in a browser as much. While I almost never use it purely in design view, the code DW produces (in at least the two most recent versions) is very much standards compliant as far as I can tell. The built-in validation is extremely handy, and even if you run your pages through the w3c validator, having a validator built in saves heaps of time. I have no idea what Terrence means, my stock install of MX 2004 validates HTML 4.01 Transitional just fine, including scope=row. It's all good as far as I can see :) David On 11/10/2005, at 7:01 PM, Jad Madi wrote: Samuel, we are not talking about any version of DW, we are talking about the latest version of dreamweaver, which seems to be promising, and seems to be a good tool to deliver standards based sites. I'm not sure about previous versions of DW, and what draw my attention to DW8 is they are marketing it as the 'web standards compliant tool' and it seems to be a fact at least till now. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:02:56 -0400, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I moved from Dreamweaver to hand coding because it was faster for CSS layout based sites. For working on older table based sites then Dreamweaver is handy for navigating around the nested layouts. On a related note, can anyone suggest a text editor that features an auto complete (for tags and attributes). Also, if it had Dreamweavers ability to select blocks of tags (from open tag to close tag and everything in between) that would be fantastic. Use DW in code view. That's what we do here. I am NEVER in layout view. -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
David McKinnon wrote: the code DW produces (in at least the two most recent versions) is very much standards compliant as far as I can tell. It's actually great that Macromedia has been so committed to web standards and so responsive to their beta testers. WaSP has made Stephanie Sullivan and Jesse Rodgers Dreamweaver Task Force members so they can continue working with MM on the standards issue. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
It's actually great that Macromedia has been so committed to web standards and so responsive to their beta testers. WaSP has made Stephanie Sullivan and Jesse Rodgers Dreamweaver Task Force members so they can continue working with MM on the standards issue. Hopefully soon the dwtf will have a site up that goes over some of the standards-friendliness of DW 8 and some things to watch for (like the Halo design template)... Are there any stand out issues with DW 8 and standards (rendering, code creation, how it validates, etc)? Jesse -- Jesse Rodgers Manager, Web Communications Communications and Public Affairs University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada +1 519 888 4567 x3874, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
im suprised because I think the built in validator actually checks the validity through the internet from w3c, doesn't it? So, I dont know how it could not work properly. I may be wrong but that's what I thought happened. Wha semantically doesn't it do in strict mode? Can you provide an example? Buddy Jad Madi wrote: Well, I'm new to DW8 I used to hand coding but it's taking time to deliver sites, so I'm learning to use DW, and it seems to be good, at least till now. Code wise it can do everything for you, semantic wise you will have to be careful and the internal validate doesn't work 100% properly with xhtml strict, but that's fine ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] DW 8 standards
On October 11, 2005 2:03am Samuel Richardson wrote: On a related note, can anyone suggest a text editor that features an auto complete (for tags and attributes). Also, if it had Dreamweavers ability to select blocks of tags (from open tag to close tag and everything in between) that would be fantastic. My favorite editor is TSW Webcoder. http://www.tsware.net/ It includes autocomplete. And is very customizable. For example, you can create your own toolbar buttons for whatever tags you want. Plus it's free (as long as you register). --- Jonathan Bloy Web Services Librarian Edgewood College Madison, Wisconsin http://library.edgewood.edu ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] DW 8 standards
Jad Madi is there any good reviews of Dreamweaver 8 and web standards? do you recommend using it to achieve standards compliant sites? any advantages/disadvantages? Apparently it's quite good. I'd recommend having a look at http://www.sitepoint.com/article/dreamweaver-8-standards (and the book that this is taken from, http://www.sitepoint.com/books/dreamweaver1/ ) Patrick __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
As an avid user of Dreamweaver everyday, I can tell you that Dreamweaver is great for compliant sites. It has a lot of built in tools like a validator that validates to the spec of your current DTD. Also closes tags according to the dtd chosen. It has not only xhtml validator but also 508 validator. Macromedia has been working side by side with the w3c very carefully to make sure their product can deliver accessible sites. The new version 8 is also way better for css layouts. That's one the new features it touts. Buddy Jad Madi wrote: Hi, is there any good reviews of Dreamweaver 8 and web standards? do you recommend using it to achieve standards compliant sites? any advantages/disadvantages? Thanks in advance. -- Regards Jad madi Blog http://EasyHTTP.com/jad/ Web standards Planet http://W3planet.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] DW 8 standards
Buddy Quaid said: As an avid user of Dreamweaver everyday, I can tell you that Dreamweaver is great for compliant sites. It has a lot of built in tools like a validator that validates to the spec of your current DTD. Are you talking about DW8? DWMX 2004 does not validate HTML 4, it uses it's own internal spec which is HTML 3.2 with common extensions. Try using scope=row on any table cell in a stock install, and you'll see what I mean. Speaking of tables, if anyone knows how to create a rowgroup (a.k.a tbody) from the design view (which doesn't select tr's) can you please contact me off-list. kind regards Terrence Woood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
