Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35

2013-09-17 Thread Pat Hayes
(Aside. If I just hit reply to all on these messages, it automatically includes public-rdf-comme...@w3.org, even though this is not listed as a recipient. /Aside) I think I understand what Jeremy is getting at. If I remember correctly, we had very much this discussion back when we were

Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35

2013-09-17 Thread Sandro Hawke
On 09/17/2013 02:33 AM, Pat Hayes wrote: (Aside. If I just hit reply to all on these messages, it automatically includes public-rdf-comme...@w3.org, even though this is not listed as a recipient. /Aside) (It's not even listed as a CC? That sounds like a serious mail client bug) I

Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35

2013-09-17 Thread Jeremy J Carroll
Reading the message below, I think the analogies that work for you are not so good for me. My analogy was an rdfs:Class as opposed to a mathematical set Pat's seems to be the ink forming the letter A as opposed to the first letter of the alphabet Yours seem to be the hard drive containing a

Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35

2013-09-17 Thread Jeremy J Carroll
Some in line responses ... On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote: [moved to www-archive and cc Pat for now] So, we could scrub the idea of having a class, and instead define a property. An alternative proposed modification, which clarifies my desired NO to your

Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35

2013-09-17 Thread Sandro Hawke
On 09/17/2013 12:35 PM, Jeremy J Carroll wrote: Some in line responses ... On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org mailto:san...@w3.org wrote: [moved to www-archive and cc Pat for now] So, we could scrub the idea of having a class, and instead define a property. An

defn of Named Graph

2013-09-17 Thread Sandro Hawke
Following that epiphany I had at the end of my last email, here's what I'd love to see everyone agree on, more or less: == Named Graphs An RDF Named Graph is similar to an RDF Graph, but different in one important way.Because RDF Graphs are defined as being mathematical sets of RDF

Re: rdfs:Graph ? comment on http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset and issue 35

2013-09-17 Thread Jeremy J Carroll
I haven't yet read your epiphany message, so maybe my comments here will already be out of date … On Sep 17, 2013, at 11:45 AM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote: On 09/17/2013 12:35 PM, Jeremy J Carroll wrote: Oh, okay. So, test case: :gn1 rdf:namesGraph :g1; owl:sameAs