Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-21 Thread Peter Mika
Much like Renato, I also don't see the problem with multiple namespaces: if you take Dan's message to its logical conclusion, then everything on the Semantic Web should be in a single namespace. In fact, namespaces provide modularization, because addresses are not only relevant to Persons but

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-21 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Hi all: Harry, Renato, and I will meet on Monday, June 1, 2009, at 6.00 p.m. in the lobby of the ESWC conference hotel for the respective f2f meeting. Anybody who is on site and available is of course invited to join. Best Martin Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: Hi all: Why don't we organize a

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-18 Thread Harry Halpin
One good idea would be to have one of our invited speaker sessions be to clear up the current vCard RDF situation. We could also invite the PortableContacts people and people invovled in the new VCard IETF activity. Ideally, I'd like to see vCard harmonized with FOAF+newVCard

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-18 Thread Renato Iannella
On 18 May 2009, at 21:28, Harry Halpin wrote: What I would like to see: A simple version that would be similar to Norm's work that would be easier to SPARQL, and a complex version based on Renato's work that let one use the various RDF containers, with Renato, Norm, and myself editing, and a

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-14 Thread Dan Brickley
On 14/5/09 02:03, Renato Iannella wrote: On 12 May 2009, at 18:39, Dan Brickley wrote: If others amongst you will be there, why don't you get together and try to make some progress there? I suggest the Social Web XG as a mechanism for tracking this effort, even if the document surfaces as a

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-14 Thread Peter Mika
And of course, since yesterday, we have to take Google's vcard ontology into account: http://rdf.data-vocabulary.org/rdf.xml Cheers, Peter Harry Halpin wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Renato Iannella ren...@nicta.com.au wrote: On 12 May 2009, at 18:39, Dan Brickley wrote:

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-14 Thread Harry Halpin
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Peter Mika pm...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: And of course, since yesterday, we have to take Google's vcard ontology into account: http://rdf.data-vocabulary.org/rdf.xml And the rest of their ontologies into account, but they look like straightforward subset of the

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-14 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Hi all: Why don't we organize a vocabulary management task-force meeting at ESWC in Crete? I think many of you indicated already that they will attend. I guess we should have at least 3 - 4 hours or an open-end working dinner ( I prefer the first). Here is a doodle poll for it:

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-14 Thread Renato Iannella
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Peter Mika pm...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: And of course, since yesterday, we have to take Google's vcard ontology into account: http://rdf.data-vocabulary.org/rdf.xml Oh Dear - yet another one! And the rest of their ontologies into account, but they look

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-14 Thread Renato Iannella
On 15 May 2009, at 01:50, Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: Why don't we organize a vocabulary management task-force meeting at ESWC in Crete? We should ping the SWIG and SWXG groups as well - but as a vCard/RDF ad-hoc meeting... Harry - can u do that? Cheers... Renato Iannella NICTA

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-13 Thread Renato Iannella
On 12 May 2009, at 18:39, Dan Brickley wrote: If others amongst you will be there, why don't you get together and try to make some progress there? I suggest the Social Web XG as a mechanism for tracking this effort, even if the document surfaces as a SWIG Note, since SWXG meets regularly

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-13 Thread Harry Halpin
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Renato Iannella ren...@nicta.com.au wrote: On 12 May 2009, at 18:39, Dan Brickley wrote: If others amongst you will be there, why don't you get together and try to make some progress there? I suggest the Social Web XG as a mechanism for tracking this effort,

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-12 Thread Dan Brickley
On 12/5/09 01:41, Renato Iannella wrote: Can we move forward on the idea of creating a W3C vCard/RDF Interest Group Note (that merges the W3C Member submission and the An Ontology for vCards) as a task of the Semantic Web Interest Group? BTW, I will be at the ESWC in Heraklion in a few weeks,

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-12 Thread Peter Mika
Hi All, Unfortunately I won't be there in Heraklion, but I would encourage you to get together there... The difficult part seems to be social/organizational/political arrangement, not the technology itself. Best, Peter Dan Brickley wrote: On 12/5/09 01:41, Renato Iannella wrote: Can we

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-12 Thread Ralph R. Swick
At 10:39 AM 5/12/2009 +0200, Dan Brickley wrote: On 12/5/09 01:41, Renato Iannella wrote: Can we move forward on the idea of creating a W3C vCard/RDF Interest Group Note (that merges the W3C Member submission and the An Ontology for vCards) as a task of the Semantic Web Interest Group? ... ... I

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-11 Thread Peter Mika
Hi Renato, Tim, I completely agree with Renato and wanted to emphasize that my original email was not meant in any way to diminish the importance of the earlier work he did on vCard in RDF or to say that the new note is perfect. In fact, the last Social Web camp gave Harry, Dan, and myself a

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-11 Thread Ralph R. Swick
At 12:22 PM 5/11/2009 +0200, Peter Mika wrote: ... I wouldn't mind seeing the W3C to become the organization where ontologies are developed in a collaborative fashion and hosted in a long term, I'd like W3C to be *one of* the organizations that do this. That is, I wouldn't advocate for an

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-11 Thread Harry Halpin
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Ralph R. Swick sw...@w3.org wrote: At 12:22 PM 5/11/2009 +0200, Peter Mika wrote: ... I wouldn't mind seeing the W3C to become the organization where ontologies are developed in a collaborative fashion and hosted in a long term, I would be very interested in

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-11 Thread Sandro Hawke
The problem with Member Submissions and W3C Notes is an unclear update mechanism and a lack of maintenance. Vocabs will evolve, and I'm not sure if the Rec model really works for them. The Note model works even less, with the Note being published once and then generally sticking around

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-11 Thread Renato Iannella
Can we move forward on the idea of creating a W3C vCard/RDF Interest Group Note (that merges the W3C Member submission and the An Ontology for vCards) as a task of the Semantic Web Interest Group? BTW, I will be at the ESWC in Heraklion in a few weeks, so maybe an opportunity to discuss

Re: vCard - Old vs. New?

2009-05-10 Thread Renato Iannella
On 11 May 2009, at 13:19, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: This process has not been done in a an RDF Calendaring group, as there has not been apparent energy from the community (so far) for a WG to be formed. It was just done under an Interest Group. Hence a bunch of community drafts, no working