On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 20:16 +0100, Thiago Macieira wrote:
snip
KDE 4 now has a centralised global shortcut management system. The reasons
for doing that are because:
- information is persistent: you're notified of a conflict even if the
other app isn't running or even if it has never
On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 16:46 +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-30, Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_a_Screenshot_with_PrintScreen_Key
That stuff is for _excecuting_ a program, and listed is 'xbindkeys'
independent of any WM, depending on just
On Monday 31 March 2008 11:52:43 Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 20:16 +0100, Thiago Macieira wrote:
This API is accessible via D-Bus. If wanted, we could work on making it
an fd.o spec.
What API is available via D-Bus exactly?
I was thinking of adding to the
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 11:07 +0100, Thiago Macieira wrote:
On Monday 31 March 2008 11:52:43 Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 20:16 +0100, Thiago Macieira wrote:
This API is accessible via D-Bus. If wanted, we could work on making it
an fd.o spec.
What API is available via
On 2008-03-31, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That stuff is for _excecuting_ a program, and listed is 'xbindkeys'
independent of any WM, depending on just that program being running,
just like the previous links require gnome-settings-fuckup-daemon
or some such thing (i.e. a bloated
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 10:29 +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-31, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That stuff is for _excecuting_ a program, and listed is 'xbindkeys'
independent of any WM, depending on just that program being running,
just like the previous links require
On 2008-03-31, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not everyone's requirements are those from 1980's Unix hackers.
Not everyone's requirements are those of Idiot Users that Gnome
and other DE developers only target (in addition to themselves),
and completely ignore and make life harder for
On Monday 31 March 2008 12:23:22 Bastien Nocera wrote:
Well, that's pretty much what we want to do as well, to avoid
applications having their own code, and needing to be running to capture
the key (we've already got the first and last bullet items, and want to
implement the second one).
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 11:52 +0100, Thiago Macieira wrote:
On Monday 31 March 2008 12:23:22 Bastien Nocera wrote:
Well, that's pretty much what we want to do as well, to avoid
applications having their own code, and needing to be running to capture
the key (we've already got the first and
On Monday, 31. March 2008, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-31, Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not everyone's requirements are those from 1980's Unix hackers.
Not everyone's requirements are those of Idiot Users that Gnome
and other DE developers only target (in addition to
On 2008-03-31, Jakob Petsovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
try to work with those other developers so that the solution doesn't only
satisfy the needs of one single group but the needs of both.
They don't listen. They don't have to listen. They're big
and sponsored by powerful corporations,
On Monday, 31. March 2008, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-31, Jakob Petsovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
try to work with those other developers so that the solution doesn't only
satisfy the needs of one single group but the needs of both.
They don't listen. They don't have to listen.
On 2008-03-31, Jakob Petsovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there's only one possible choice to keep your sanity, and that is not to get
involved with them at all.
That's not possible, because their software fucks with yours,
and you have to deal with people who try to use your software
with
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 12:24 +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
Not everyone is a paid developer, you know (whose main
interest is to design complex systems to increase their power
and keep their jobs!).
Can we keep the paranoia down to a reasonable level please?
Richard.
Thiago Macieira wrote:
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This API is accessible via D-Bus. If wanted, we could work on making it an
fd.o spec.
Hi all,
To add further impetus to this, take a look at the following for an
example of just what a nightmare NOT having a spec/standard for this is:
On 2008-03-30, Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_a_Screenshot_with_PrintScreen_Key
That stuff is for _excecuting_ a program, and listed is 'xbindkeys'
independent of any WM, depending on just that program being running,
just like the previous links require
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-30, Justin Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_a_Screenshot_with_PrintScreen_Key
That stuff is for _excecuting_ a program, and listed is 'xbindkeys'
independent of any WM, depending on just that program being running,
just like
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
Since your app is already running, you can just XGrabKey, assuming
nothing else uses the key already.
And that's exactly the problem: how do you find out if anyone else is
using it? And how do you resolve the conflict in that case?
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On 2008-03-30, Thiago Macieira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
Since your app is already running, you can just XGrabKey, assuming
nothing else uses the key already.
And that's exactly the problem: how do you find out if anyone else is=20
using it? And how do you resolve the
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
Just complain, and let the user handle the issue.
In general, that doesn't help because you don't know what the other
application is.
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On 2008-03-30, Thiago Macieira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
Just complain, and let the user handle the issue.
In general, that doesn't help because you don't know what the other=20
application is.
And how often do you have overlapping grab attempts? By programs that
are not
On Thursday 27 of March 2008, Justin Clift wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a works across all window managers way of setting a
Control-Printscreen key binding in my (Glib/GTK based) application.
...
There doesn't seem to be a standardised way of doing this, or do I need
to be looking at this
On 2008-03-27, Lubos Lunak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
XGrabKey() ?
Nah, surely the WM should provide a highly specific but complex approach
to register keys, and create a fake window that always has the focus,
then XSendEventing things to applications, while also maintaining fake
focus state.
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-27, Lubos Lunak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
XGrabKey() ?
Nah, surely the WM should provide a highly specific but complex approach
to register keys, and create a fake window that always has the focus,
then XSendEventing things to applications, while also
On 2008-03-27 12:47 +0100, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Application does not need to call XGrabKey() to get events.
I was referring to the brain damage known as XEmbed, in case you
didn't notice. When XGrabKey would do the job (you can even grab
AnyKey, if you want to process everything in the
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:47 +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
On 2008-03-27 12:47 +0100, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Application does not need to call XGrabKey() to get events.
I was referring to the brain damage known as XEmbed, in case you
didn't notice.
If you can't discuss anything in a
On 2008-03-27, Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was referring to the brain damage known as XEmbed, in case you
didn't notice.
If you can't discuss anything in a civilized tone, why don't you just
shut up ?
We have a phrase oma lehmä ojassa, which directly translates
as own cow in
Dudes!
Cut it out. Not cool.
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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Justin Clift wrote:
I'll have to get a proper understanding of XGrabKey now, and then ask
back if (er... when?) I have probs. Heh. :)
I'm attaching a few lines of sample code with XGrabKey, as I was playing
with this a couple of weeks ago.
The code is rather incomplete, and certainly
Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 15:19 +1100, Justin Clift wrote:
Hi all,
I'm looking for a works across all window managers way of setting a
Control-Printscreen key binding in my (Glib/GTK based) application.
Any suggestions?
This is how to do it for GNOME:
Thiago Macieira wrote:
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This API is accessible via D-Bus. If wanted, we could work on making it an
fd.o spec.
From an application author's point of view, that would be REALLY
beneficial in a bigger picture sense.
It will lead into my app being able to run with good workflow,
regardless
Hi all,
I'm looking for a works across all window managers way of setting a
Control-Printscreen key binding in my (Glib/GTK based) application.
Any suggestions?
As background info, one part of my application (already) provides a
specialised screen capturing utility, and binds to the
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