Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Pihilip, Thoughout, my programming life and experience I have learned that internal structure means nothing, as long as the result is correct when it comes out. As you rightfully point out the problem lies inside how TeX internally handles space characters when adding them to its internal

[XeTeX] TeX in the modern World. (goes OT) Was: Re: Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All, Sorry, I go OT here, but in order to debate it is necessary. Please forgive. I have to side more with Philip. What most are forgetting is what (Xe)TeX is intended for. It is for most a typesetting program(you do mention this below). It was not designed to handle different languages or

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/11/18 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de: Hi Pihilip, Thoughout, my programming life and experience I have learned that internal structure means nothing, as long as the result is correct when it comes out. As you rightfully point out the problem lies inside how TeX internally

Re: [XeTeX] TeX in the modern World. (goes OT) Was: Re: Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/11/18 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de: Hi All, Sorry, I go OT here, but in order to debate it is necessary. Please forgive. Hi all, I agree with Keith, I have just a few comments. I have to side more with Philip. What most are forgetting is what (Xe)TeX is intended for. It is

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Zdenek Wagner wrote: I admit that things could be done better than in nowadays TeX but its complete revamping seems to me as bad investment. I would rather think of an FO processor. And I agree with Zdeněk : this discussion will be productive only if we focus on what can be accomplished

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:31:28 +1100 schrieb Ross Moore: Yes, that's the point. The goal of TeX is nice typographical appearance. The goal of XML is easy data exchange. If I want to send structured data, I send XML, not PDF. These days people want both. One question which pops up regularly

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Is it safe to assume that these code listings are restricted to the ASCII character set ? If so, yes, spaces are likely to be a problem, but if the code listing can also include ligature- digraphs, then these are likely to prove even more problematic. ** Phipl. Ulrike Fischer wrote:

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/11/18 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Is it safe to assume that these code listings are restricted to the ASCII character set ?  If so, yes, spaces are likely to be a problem, but if the code listing can also include ligature- digraphs, then these are likely to prove even more

Re: [XeTeX] TeX in the modern World. (goes OT) Was: Re: Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:16:31AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote in reply to Ross Moore: You are probably a little young to know this, but TeX's original output format was a dvi file. I think I'll have this one framed and sent to Ross for his next birthday. Arthur

Re: [XeTeX] TeX in the modern World. (goes OT) Was: Re: Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Nov 18, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 10:16:31AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote in reply to Ross Moore: You are probably a little young to know this, but TeX's original output format was a dvi file. I think I'll have this one framed and sent

Re: [XeTeX] TeX in the modern World. (goes OT) Was: Re: Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Adam Twardoch (List)
Yet, it remains one of the most powerful and cheapest typesetting systems to date. Cheap in terms of initial investment -- surely, as it's open-source and free. Cheap in terms of implementing -- not quite so, because you need to format your sources in a very specific, isolated syntax. I

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread maxwell
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:52:56 +0100, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/18 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Is it safe to assume that these code listings are restricted to the ASCII character set ?  If so, yes, spaces are likely to be a problem, but if the code listing can

[XeTeX] U+00AD

2011-11-18 Thread mskala
Since we're having so much fun with U+00A0, what about U+00AD, which may or may not mean the same thing as \- ? -- Matthew Skala msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before principles. http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/ -- Subscriptions,

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/11/18 maxwell maxw...@umiacs.umd.edu: On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:52:56 +0100, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/18 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Is it safe to assume that these code listings are restricted to the ASCII character set ?  If so, yes, spaces are likely

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Zdenek, On 19/11/2011, at 9:51 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote: This is a demonstration that glyphs are not the same as characters. I will startt with a simpler case and will not put Devanagari to the mail message. If you wish to write a syllable RU, you have to add a dependent vowel (matra) U to

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/11/19 Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au: Hi Zdenek, On 19/11/2011, at 9:51 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote: This is a demonstration that glyphs are not the same as characters. I will startt with a simpler case and will not put Devanagari to the mail message. If you wish to write a syllable RU,

Re: [XeTeX] Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Zdenek, On 19/11/2011, at 10:30 AM, Zdenek Wagner wrote: /ActualText is your friend here. You tag the content and provide the string that you want to appear with Copy/Paste as the value associated to a dictionary key. I do not know whether the PDF specification has evolved since I read

[XeTeX] (OT) Re: TeX in the modern World. (goes OT) Was: Re: Whitespace in input

2011-11-18 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Arthur, No problem. you have my permission. I was just judging from his comments. No offense meant. Me I am almost 50 and have been around computers since the 80s. First was a Apple IIe, at the university we used a main frame. regards