Re: [XeTeX] Any progress on 16 open write file limit?

2011-12-15 Thread Bruno Le Floch
It would still be better to have an engine-level solution. Morewrites is definitely a hack. Update the l3kernel bundle to the newest version OK, thanks! I am hoping to complete and deliver a major project this month, so I don't want to risk a major update to my Texlive system at this point;

Re: [XeTeX] polyglossia, right alignment is not correct

2011-12-15 Thread Jens Bakker
Dear Dominik Wujastyk, Dear Peter Dyballa, Thank you very much for your answers, I have installed TeXLive 2011 and updated it by TeXLive Utility (I suppose the extant version of bidi from January 2012 may be the most recent one). But the middle line of the paragraph is still not aligned to the

[XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Philip TAYLOR
I know that a number of excellent typographers inhabit this list, so I would like to pick their brains if I may ? In Two wide ‘weaver’s windows’, usually found on the ground floor (which could equally well be Two wide ‘weavers’ windows’, usually found on the ground floor, but I am not the

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 15 Dec 2011, at 14:30, Philip TAYLOR wrote: I know that a number of excellent typographers inhabit this list, so I would like to pick their brains if I may ? In Two wide ‘weaver’s windows’, usually found on the ground floor (which could equally well be Two wide ‘weavers’ windows’,

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Thank you, Jonathan (but I really do wish the answer had been no : it is far to easy to mis-parse the author's text). Philip Taylor Jonathan Kew wrote: In Two wide ‘weaver’s windows’, usually found on the ground floor (which could equally well be Two wide ‘weavers’ windows’, usually

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread mskala
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011, Philip TAYLOR wrote: found on the ground floor, but I am not the author), the apostrophe of weaver’s/weavers’ is the same Unicode character as the closing quotation mark of windows’. Should it be ? I think that's the practice recommended by the Unicode Consortium. U+2019

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread William Adams
On Dec 15, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: I know that a number of excellent typographers inhabit this list, so I would like to pick their brains if I may ? In Two wide ‘weaver’s windows’, usually found on the ground floor (which could equally well be Two wide ‘weavers’ windows’,

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Tobias Schoel
Hi List, On 15.12.2011 17:02, Jonathan Kew wrote: On 15 Dec 2011, at 14:30, Philip TAYLOR wrote: I know that a number of excellent typographers inhabit this list, so I would like to pick their brains if I may ? In Two wide ‘weaver’s windows’, usually found on the ground floor (which could

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread William Adams
On Dec 15, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Tobias Schoel wrote: But why? They are semantically different. Does this “identity” come from historical roots? The same stroke was used by the scribes for both purposes / the characters are taught the same when written and when printed as metal type the same

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 15 Dec 2011, at 17:18, Tobias Schoel wrote: Hi List, On 15.12.2011 17:02, Jonathan Kew wrote: On 15 Dec 2011, at 14:30, Philip TAYLOR wrote: I know that a number of excellent typographers inhabit this list, so I would like to pick their brains if I may ? In Two wide ‘weaver’s

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Peter Baker
On 12/15/11 2:34 PM, Jonathan Kew wrote: Not particularly relevant. The full stop or period that ends a sentence is semantically different from the decimal point that punctuates numbers. That doesn't mean we have separate character codes for them. From a character-encoding point of view,

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 15 Dec 2011, at 19:54, Peter Baker wrote: On 12/15/11 2:34 PM, Jonathan Kew wrote: Not particularly relevant. The full stop or period that ends a sentence is semantically different from the decimal point that punctuates numbers. That doesn't mean we have separate character codes for

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/12/15 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Jonathan Kew wrote: This reminds me of the French convention whereby a space is often inserted before punctuation such as :, ? or !. I've often felt that this should really be implemented as a language-specific variant of the punctuation glyph

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Zdenek Wagner wrote: This convention is not used in the Czech language With the greatest respect, Zdeněk, I do not necessarily agree. Please take a look at Bible: Písmo svaté Starého a Nového zákona včetně deuterokanonických knih, Česká biblická společnost: Praha 1985. [tzv. Ekumenický

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread mskala
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011, Peter Baker wrote: apostophe and the closing quotation mark are the same glyph. We'd have to kern each instance manually. That said, it's pretty clear that we're stuck with what the Unicode Consortium has decreed for us. Old style and lining numerals are generally the

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Philip TAYLOR wrote: With the greatest respect, Zdeněk, I do not necessarily agree. Please take a look at Bible: Písmo svaté Starého a Nového zákona včetně deuterokanonických knih, Česká biblická společnost: Praha 1985. [tzv. Ekumenický překlad] Well worth comparing this with the Czech

Re: [XeTeX] fontspec loading the wrong font?

2011-12-15 Thread Ross Moore
Hello Daniel, On 16/12/2011, at 8:43 AM, Daniel Greenhoe wrote: I have run into a very strange problem when using fontspec and trying to test a new experimental version of GNU FreeSerif. In particular, suppose I try labeling the old FreeSerif as \fntFreeSerif and the new experimental

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Andrew Brown
On 15 déc. 2011, at 20:34, Jonathan Kew wrote: Not particularly relevant. The full stop or period that ends a sentence is semantically different from the decimal point that punctuates numbers. That doesn't mean we have separate character codes for them. From a character-encoding point of

Re: [XeTeX] Typographic question : quotation marks and apostrophes

2011-12-15 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 08:54:24PM +, Philip TAYLOR wrote: Zdenek Wagner wrote: This convention is not used in the Czech language With the greatest respect, Zdeněk, I do not necessarily agree. Please take a look at Bible: Písmo svaté Starého a Nového zákona včetně

Re: [XeTeX] fontspec loading the wrong font?

2011-12-15 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au wrote: try doing some detailed tracing, using \tracingall Thank you for your help. I did try it with the \tracingall directive. However, the compilation crashes with message ! Undefined control sequence. l.85 GNU FreeSerif:

Re: [XeTeX] Any progress on 16 open write file limit?

2011-12-15 Thread Vladimir Lomov
Hello, ** Daniel Greenhoe [2011-12-15 07:47:03 +0800]: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Vladimir Lomov lomov...@gmail.com wrote: Update you TeX system. This command relates with experimental package (aka latex3). On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Bruno Le Floch blfla...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [XeTeX] fontspec loading the wrong font?

2011-12-15 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Daniel, On 16/12/2011, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Greenhoe wrote: On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:56 AM, Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au wrote: try doing some detailed tracing, using \tracingall Thank you for your help. I did try it with the \tracingall directive. However, the compilation crashes

Re: [XeTeX] Any progress on 16 open write file limit?

2011-12-15 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Vladimir Lomov lomov...@gmail.com wrote: You can install TL 2011 as any other TL release in parallel, and use then switching the PATH to appropriate release. Nice idea --- thanks! I simply don't understand for what reason you need more than 16 openned files.

Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-15 Thread Vladimir Lomov
Hello, ** Daniel Greenhoe [2011-12-16 09:55:19 +0800]: I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has the Overfull \hbox problem when I use inline mathematical scripts. Before I go hacking up the document with newline and \raggedright commands, is there any more

Re: [XeTeX] Overfull \hbox when using inline math scripts

2011-12-15 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi, I would suggest putting a newline after the therorem title. Could right your own command for that. Though it is a matter of style and taste. regards Keith. Am 16.12.2011 um 02:55 schrieb Daniel Greenhoe: I have a rather long document involving mathematics that sometimes has