Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Yannis Haralambous
As illustrated by Coulmas, there is no causal relation between the presence of the phoneme /h/ and the one of the grapheme : Consider, for instance, Latin-derived words such as habit, heretic, hotel and hospital in English where the initial is pronounced, although it had already ceased to be

Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Philip Taylor (Hellenic Institute)
On 20/08/2022 13:23, Julian Bradfield wrote: I have no axe to grind in this intra-Hellenic debate, but may I ask the two protagonists whether they view the current American practice of both Come, come: you mean "the protagonist and deuteragonist" ! Sir, I can only adduce the OED in my humble

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread John Was
Ahem, that would be vulgare pecus... On Sat, 20 Aug 2022, 17:55 Eric Streit, wrote: > Hi, > > an interesting conference about the 'French orthographe" and how it was > defined (and, no, this was not logical at all). > > The conference is in French, but with subtitles, I hope you can understand.

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Eric Streit
oups, I forgot the link; here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YO7Vg1ByA8 Eric Le 20/08/2022 à 18:38, Eric Streit a écrit : Hi, an interesting conference about the 'French orthographe" and how it was defined (and, no, this was not logical at all). The conference is in French, but

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Eric Streit
Hi, an interesting conference about the 'French orthographe" and how it was defined (and, no, this was not logical at all). The conference is in French, but with subtitles, I hope you can understand. Orthograph was used to separate the "vulgus pecus" from the "educated people". It was never

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Jens Bakker
May be, this is a misunderstanding by some teachers who do pronounce it „istory“ or a joke by some students, in English this word is pronounced with an „h“, and therefore it seems to be impossible to write it without an „h“ but to pronounce it with an „h“ at the beginning of the word, according

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 6:23 AM Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX < xetex@tug.org> wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > Many readers of this mailing list are > native English language speakers and > the following question is for them. > > Someone claimed that English people (I say > more generally English

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread BPJ
The Indo-European root is _*weyd-_ 'see' > _*weydtōr_ 'seer, knower, examiner' > ἵστωρ. According to Rix's small historical grammar which is the only relevant source I have to hand at the moment Attic has _hVs-_ for _*wVs-_ (V = a vowel), although the only example he gives is ἕσπερος, cf.. Latin

Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Julian Bradfield
> I have no axe to grind in this intra-Hellenic debate, but may I ask the > two protagonists whether they view the current American practice of both Come, come: you mean "the protagonist and deuteragonist" !

Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Philip Taylor (Hellenic Institute)
On 20/08/2022 12:28, Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX wrote: My question is if English language speakers learn in school why they write history and not istory. The answer seems to be: No. What you say is completely irrelevant. BTW, languages evolve and brathings were introduced for a reason that

Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Julian Bradfield
On 2022-08-20, Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX wrote: > My question is if English language speakerslearn in school why they write > history andnot istory. The answer seems to be: No.What you say is completely What do you expect us to learn? The word is pronounced with /h/ and written with h-.

[XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX
My question is if English language speakerslearn in school why they write history andnot istory. The answer seems to be: No.What you say is completely irrelevant. BTW,languages evolve and brathings were introduced for a reason that does notexist today. So it was to eliminate breathingsfrom

Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Yannis Haralambous
Not at all. The question why writing history instead of istory is the same as why writing ἱστορία instead of ιστορία… > Le 20 août 2022 à 13:08, Apostolos Syropoulos a écrit > : > > Well this is off-topic to my off-topic question. > > Στάλθηκε από το Ταχυδρομείο Yahoo σε Android >

[XeTeX] Σχετ: Re: Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX
Well this is off-topic to my off-topic question. Στάλθηκε από το Ταχυδρομείο Yahoo σε Android Στις Σάβ, 20 Αυγ, 2022 στις 13:34, ο χρήστηςYannis Haralambous έγραψε: English (and French and German and many other languages) respect words of Greek origin andrepresent the rough breathing in

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Yannis Haralambous
English (and French and German and many other languages) respect words of Greek origin and represent the rough breathing in some way (`H' in Latin alphabet, `Г' in Cyrillic alphabet, `ه' in Arabic, 'ハ' in Japanese, etc.). Greeks themselves have chosen to destroy this cultural heritage by

Re: [XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Philip Taylor (Hellenic Institute)
On 20/08/2022 10:21, Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX wrote: Someone claimed that English people (I say more generally English language speakers)  learn at school why you write history and not istory. Since I do not know I'd this holds, I am asking: Is this true? Does someone who has graduated

[XeTeX] Off topic (interesting) question

2022-08-20 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos via XeTeX
Hi everybody, Many readers of this mailing list arenative English language speakers andthe following question is for them. Someone claimed that English people (I saymore generally English language speakers) learn at school why you write history andnot istory. Since I do not know I'd this