Re: [XeTeX] which TeX-based software

2018-04-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2018-04-26 14:20 GMT+02:00 Carrs : > a newbie question. I would like advice on which TeX-based software it would > be best to learn in detail for my typesetting plans. So far, I have learned > a little TeX and a little LaTeX, but not enough of either to tell me which >

Re: [XeTeX] Italic and font spec 2.5c vs 2.4a

2017-01-23 Thread Martin Schröder
2017-01-24 6:55 GMT+01:00 Gildas Hamel : > I just updated fontspec from 2.5a to 2.5c via TeX Live Utility. I cannot get > italic face to work. I had to revert to 2.5a. Do others see the same thing? > —Gildas Known problem: https://github.com/wspr/fontspec/issues/254

Re: [XeTeX] Random number primitives

2016-11-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2016-11-12 22:45 GMT+01:00 Joseph Wright : > lower-level pseudo-random number generator (I assume from C: there is > very little actual code in the pdfTeX WEB source to implement these). IIRC it came from MetaPost. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Plain XeTeX, pdftitle, pdfinfo

2016-07-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2016-07-12 19:24 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor : > If I had the time, I would (see my earlier message about incremental TeX live > installations); You invest your time unwisely. You save some time by not installing everything and waste more of your (and our!) time by fixing

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2015-04-27 16:40 GMT+02:00 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com: Many consider that JSON will eventually replace XML. Only if JSON gets schemes. http://json-schema.org/ exists, but is not widely used. Best Martin -- Subscriptions,

Re: [XeTeX] Problem with XeTeX 0.9999.2 and includegraphics

2013-04-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/4/17 Jeremy Van Cleve jeremy.vancl...@gmail.com: \documentclass[11pt]{article} \usepackage[multidot]{grffile} Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] redefining Unicode characters

2013-01-15 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/15 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org: We don't usually make separate releases, so, unless you are welling to build from git[1], the answer is yes. There's always tlcontrib. :-) Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/11 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Martin Schröder wrote: PS: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xetex+set+pdf+versionl=1#seen :-) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xetex+set+pdf+versionl=1 Very useful. Not. Very useful. :-) Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com: Even in TeX Live 2012 xdvipdfmx as default produces PDF 1.5. If PDF And how does one tell xetex to produce PDF 1.6? Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Adam Twardoch (List) list.a...@twardoch.com: versions. I'm not sure which is the highest version of PDF that XeTeX supports, but my guess it'd be 1.3 or 1.4. But that's also a popular practice by some print publishers. Recently I had to submit a print ad to a magazine, and their

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de: 2013/1/10 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com: Even in TeX Live 2012 xdvipdfmx as default produces PDF 1.5. If PDF And how does one tell xetex to produce PDF 1.6? See http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/8822/5763 and http://tex.stackexchange.com

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: and it wass therefore a great surprise to discover that it could not handle a version of PDF that was specified six years ago. Please stop wasting electrons: It is perfectly able to do that. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Could the spurious warning that XeTeX cannot handle PDF 1.6 please be removed ?. Yes. See my other mail. :-) Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

2013-01-10 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/1/10 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Excellent, thank you Kevin. It is good that there are so many helpful people on this list. http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2013-January/023983.html See also the first hit on

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] PDF/X-1a preflight and xetex/xdvipdfmx

2012-12-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/12/11 dgatw...@mac.com: I'm trying to generate PDF/X-1a2001 spec-compliant PDF files with xetex/xdvipdfmx (xdvipdfmx-0.7.8 from TeXLive 2012), and I'm running into one small bug that I can't find a good way to work around. The xdvipdfmx backend seems to be omitting the /ID field in the

Re: [XeTeX] horizontal alignment

2012-11-20 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/11/20 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Absolutely. All because TeX does not (sadly) have two reference points for a box. For this reason in real life situations I use That's why LaTeX3 has coffins. :-) Best Martin -- Subscriptions,

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/8 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de: Two years ago I would have said this too. But now I doubt it. Opentype fonts are much more complicated that some expandafters or the latex output routine. Also - more importantly - I see none of the needed discussion going on. That discussion is not

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-06 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/6 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com: The fontspec package is already available in lualatex. It needs luaotfload, which is currently unmaintained. Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/2 Peter Dyballa peter_dyba...@web.de: XeTeX has been patched to enable micro-typography in TeX Live 2009. To make use of it you need the microtype package v2.5, beta (microtype-xetex.def). This came with TeX Live 2010. AFAIK only protusion. I doubt that expansion is possible with

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/1 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de: As has been mentioned the source and programming rational behind LuaTeX is not documented, at least not publically. Even if one would do the programming their is no guarantee that the code will be used or allowed. There have been numerous papers

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-01 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/1 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: If I /were/ to propose a replacement language, I would strongly advocate JavaScript, which has almost universal uptake, adoption and acceptance. From a purely personal perspective, I would also When LuaTeX started I also toyed with the idea and had

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-01 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/1 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Martin Schröder wrote: When LuaTeX started I also toyed with the idea and had a look at JavaScript interpreters - they were much larger. Large enough to have any significant impact on a modern machine, which one might reasonably expect to have 4Gb

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-01 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/1 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Well, you could always write your own JavaScript interpreter in Lua and get the best of both worlds :-) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10259842/would-it-make-sense-to-run-javascript-on-the-lua-vm We are all very eagerly awaiting your

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-07-31 Thread Martin Schröder
For very good reason! \pdfminorversion is not only some monadic number, it's also a guarantee that this document conforms to a particular standard. Not really. In pdfTeX the version enables certain features (object streams, png inclusion). But no guarantee is made for included pdfs: At most

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-07-30 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/7/30 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: case. But differences at the syntactic level are a far greater concern : I think one should accept that if one passes an extant XeTeX source through LuaTeX, line and page breaks may well differ, but if LuaTeX barfs on valid XeTeX source, that is

Re: [XeTeX] xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/7/9 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de: I just saw that TexLive 2012 contains some instructions to upgrade. And while it is obviously not recommended to do it the text contains a lot informations about possible sources of interference problems: This procedure is not bullet-proof, or

Re: [XeTeX] xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool

2012-07-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/7/8 Gareth Hughes garzoh...@gmail.com: I just updated to TeX Live 2012 on Ubuntu, but XeLaTeX now fails with the message xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool. I'm sure there's an easy way of fixing this. Ang suggestions? fmtutil --refresh --byengine xetex Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] Help with XeTeX/ConTeXT and CTL

2012-06-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/6/26 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org: XeTeX is still using the old (and more fragile) Graphite engine, LibreOffice switched to the new (and more robust) one AKA graphite2. So the segmentation fault is likely from the Graphite engine, so you may try reporting it to SIL people (but

Re: [XeTeX] Minimalist TeX?

2012-05-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/5/17 C Y smustude...@yahoo.com: From: Joseph Wright joseph.wri...@morningstar2.co.uk Oh yes, license and library issues: I forgot :-) Does KerTeX have license issues?  (XeTeX being MIT instead of GPL was one of the things that drew me to it, actually...) XeTeX is not MIT but GPL. It

Re: [XeTeX] Babel

2012-05-04 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com: No! The problem is that people should start saying that certain parts of the old TeX world are irrelevant and so they should not be part of any TeX distribution. For example, on a set of recently compiled You don't understand the idea of

Re: [XeTeX] Babel

2012-05-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/5/3 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com: Then use them, but please do not ask for updates! People should not waste their precious time with outdated tools and packages. Babel is the LaTeX standard for multilingual texts. Until something else takes it's place, it must be maintained.

Re: [XeTeX] Multiple column colors

2012-02-20 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/2/20 Stephan step...@theched.org: For example, this code (http://pastebin.com/U7B4mjic) works well under pdfLatex (one column turns out blue, the other red), while in XeLaTeX, the colors are mixed AFAIK pdfparcolumns works only with pdfTeX. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX does not define the \XeTeX macro.

2011-12-21 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/12/21 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: The following code fragment, from plain XeTeX source, results in an undefined control sequence : \XeTeX message.  Where is \XeTeX canonically defined, please ? Nowhere. Even tugboat doesn't do it in plain: % the Xe\TeX logo requires Eplain, which

Re: [XeTeX] Suggestion for xelatex.ini (enlarging math families from 16 to 256)

2011-11-23 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/11/23 Vafa Khalighi vafa...@gmail.com: Since XeTeX allows you to have 256 math families instead 16, I was wondering if this could be done in xelatex.ini. The required changes are: IMHO this should be done by LaTeX proper, not as a local modification. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] Synching PDF paper size with typesetting size

2011-11-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/11/5 Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca: Typesets fine... But the output PDF is still letter size--slightly annoying in terms of visual impressions. Is there a way to get tell the system to adjust the PDF output size to match? Either within the TeX source or as an option at typeset

Re: [XeTeX] Synching PDF paper size with typesetting size

2011-11-05 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/11/5 Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca: I was using that, switched to Memoir. Surely there must be another way? geometry doesn't work with Memoir? Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-21 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/10/21 Chris Travers chris.trav...@gmail.com: If TexLive had been around in 2002 and was statically linking to zlib, it would have been affected too. It was and it was and it was. :-( So it was till we dropped libtiff from pdfTeX and till we dropped xpdf from XeTeX and LuaTeX (pdfTeX still

Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia broken?

2011-10-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/10/2 Alan Munn am...@gmx.com: Well I don't think Philipp has commit privileges, and CTAN isn't happy about random (even highly trusted) people uploading new versions of packages that are still officially maintained. Which seems to boil down to the original problem: polyglossia seems to

Re: [XeTeX] HELP! ** ERROR ** Page number 65536l too large!

2011-09-29 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/9/29 Jonathan Kew jfkth...@googlemail.com: Clearly Knuth didn't think there was any need for such large numbers of pages in a single file. See TeX error #913: * 28 December 1990 R913. Avoid range check when there are 65536 or more pages (Eberhard Mattes). It's possible (though I haven't

Re: [XeTeX] Change in Polyglossia?

2011-09-21 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/9/21 Herbert Schulz he...@wideopenwest.com: Oh my… this has come up today so many times on so many lists it's maddening. :-) See also https://github.com/fc7/polyglossia/issues/27 Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List

Re: [XeTeX] Dinosaurs

2011-09-13 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/9/12 Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com: Ok, I'll contribute to this one. I learned programming on a IBM clone --a clone of an IBM 1620 at Oregon State University in 1960. We wrote a few programs and then were told about a fabulous new tool called SOAP, the symbolic optimum

Re: [XeTeX] Loading fonts from a common server or http URL

2011-06-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/6/22 msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Keith J. Schultz wrote:       2) A program can open any/retrieve any file on a server            using http. all it needs to do is speak http! While we're at it, let's add a spelling checker, SQL database backend, and multilingual

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/6/19 Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: What is a kill file ?  Another platform-specific feature, I suppose ! http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kill+filel=1 -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

Re: [XeTeX] tif inclusion

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/6/6 Vadim Radionov vadim.radio...@gmail.com: Is it possible to include tif images with xelatex and graphics.sty ?  I No. Convert to png, jpeg or pdf. Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

[XeTeX] [fontspec] outline fonts?

2011-05-11 Thread Martin Schröder
Hi, is there a way to switch a font to outline rendering with OTF/fontspec? I know I can hack this in PDF, but a fontspec feature would be nicer. :-) Thanks in advance Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.:

Re: [XeTeX] [luatex] [fontspec] outline fonts?

2011-05-11 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/5/11 Heiko Oberdiek heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com: Without fontspec, see package `pdfrender'. \pdfrender{TextRenderingMode=Stroke,LineWidth=1pt} :-))) Many thanks from LinuxTag Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information,

Re: [XeTeX] [texhax] Throughput

2011-03-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/3/3 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: No, but as you have yourself suggested two possible causes, Please stop jumping to conclusions and switching to other mailing lists. Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and

Re: [XeTeX] preventing hyphenation

2011-02-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/2/19 Mike Maxwell maxw...@umiacs.umd.edu: In a grammar we're writing, the gloss of a word xowunʣāy gets hyphenated immediately after the 'x'.  I thought I could prevent this by adding the You could also set \lefthyphenmin to a value greater than 1 for the language... Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX, fontspec, OTF, and fontdimens

2011-02-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/2/19 msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: it goes.  The problem is that XeTeX also adds stretchability and shrinkability to the word space, which is an inappropriate thing to do when the font is monospace, and there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the stretchability and shrinkability in a way

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX, fontspec, OTF, and fontdimens

2011-02-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/2/19 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Martin Schröder wrote: Methinks the ragged2e package offers a solution. And if one wants full justification as well as monospaced spaces with a monospaced font ? untested: \usepackage{ragged2e} ... \justifying foo bar\par

Re: [XeTeX] Protecting pdfpages \includepdf against broken PDF

2011-01-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/1/17 Jérôme Etévé jerome.et...@gmail.com: @Martin: Tried qpdf, but it suffers from an infinite loop on invalid xref tables :( Acrobat et.al is not an option for me at the moment. Please contact the author of qpdf; it should not go into an infinite loop. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] fontspec: Unknown feature `' in font `TeX Gyre Heros'.

2010-12-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/22 Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au: ;; causes an empty feature request. So it's an error in fontspec? Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] fontspec: Unknown feature `' in font `TeX Gyre Heros'.

2010-12-22 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/12/22 Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au: Writing a message to warn the user of their sloppiness is quite a reasonable action, in my opinion. This is done a lot in TeX What's wrong with my input? Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and

Re: [XeTeX] Greek XeLaTeX

2010-10-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/12 Alexandros Gotsis got...@science.tuc.gr: 1. I could replace almost all commands of (Xe)LaTeX, but I can do nothing with the very first one: \documentclass{}! Is there a way to change the name of this command so that the XeLaTeX engine still understands it? I am looking for

Re: [XeTeX] Greek XeLaTeX

2010-10-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/12 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com: Well, of course that would be a χελατεχ format  then ...  :)  It should be ζιλατεχ or even ξιλατεχ... But that seems to be monotonic. Shouldn't it be polytonic? :-) Best Martin --

Re: [XeTeX] arabxetex vs. xepersian

2010-10-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/10/3 Paul Isambert zappathus...@free.fr: Persian is an English pronunciation, Farsi an Arabic one. Both derive from the same word. I can't see why one is fake and not the other. Like saying the real name of French is Französich, for some reason having to do with German phonetics... I

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/26 Axel Kielhorn a.kielh...@web.de: Contributions are welcome, but please note that lshort is written in latin1 and it will be difficult to show anything outside the latin range. Then it should be converted into utf8 first. This is 2010, not 1995. :-) Maybe it would be easier to write

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/26 Philipp Stephani st_phil...@yahoo.de: Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn: Is the compose feature you mention the same as dead keys? No. Compose is a key available only from the X Window System. After hitting Compose (it is not a modifier key), you can enter a known key

[XeTeX] build-problems on OpenSUSE 11.2

2010-09-26 Thread Martin Schröder
Hi, build-xetex.sh in trunk breaks on OpenSUSE 11.2 on amd64: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c -I./.. -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/texk -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk -DNO_DEBUG -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/..

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeXpdffile media box etc

2010-09-09 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/9/9 Heiko Oberdiek heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com: s/pdfpageattr(s)/pdfpage(s)attr/ Avoid \pdfpagesattr. The PDF specification now recommends setting the keys on every page. Best Martin -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information,

Re: [XeTeX] Checking if a font exists

2010-08-30 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/8/30 Heiko Oberdiek heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com: What kind of philosophy? An error as part of normal behaviour? ;-) If you want to know if XeTeX knows a font you should ask XeTeX and not fontcache. If that's hard, XeTeX should be improved. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] embedding fonts

2010-08-30 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/8/28 Herbert Schulz he...@wideopenwest.com: Hmmm... I wonder how many font licenses this requirement violates? Font licenses don't work. Customer of us tried to get from a major font vendor a server license for a font (i.e. license for a server that generates pdf from xml). Obviously

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] TeXLive Pretest - XeTeX segfaults on LInux 64

2010-07-12 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/7/12 Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard m...@elzevir.fr: so I think his answer is that it is *not* doable to ship 32 bit XeTeX on LinUX64, since the user would need a 32-bit version of the dynamically linked libraries. Which is the norm on OpenSUSE. :-) Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] experimental new xetex version - with margin-kerning support

2010-05-03 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/5/3 Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com: Now that that has sunk in ;-) can I ask about the other feature of PDFTeX, namely the ability to improve line breaking by (to my eye) undetectable changes in the font size for a paragraph? Is there any plan to port this to XeTeX? IMHO

Re: [XeTeX] building XeTeX fails

2010-05-01 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/5/2 Jonathan Kew jfkth...@googlemail.com: I'm afraid I don't know anything about this; I believe Thanh has been building (from the microtype branch in the xetex repository) on Linux, but I haven't tried this myself yet. I can confirm that TRUNK builds on 10.3/amd64. But I also have a

Re: [XeTeX] Word wrapping in Lao

2010-04-21 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/4/21 Sam Putman atmanis...@gmail.com: This document had some interesting contributions to this discussion: http://www.unifont.org/textlayout/TheBigPicture.pdf In short, there are other people interested in solving this problem to provide proper internationalization in the major FLOSS

Re: [XeTeX] Word wrapping in Lao

2010-04-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2010/4/17 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: No, sorry Martin : probably not as famous as either of them, but fairly popular with Universities and such like ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Technology_Limited Best Martin