Re: X Hangs at "Initializing int10"

2008-12-01 Thread Keith Packard
On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 07:33 +0100, Matthieu Herrb wrote: > I'm not sure if Keith is planning to have this fixed in xserver 1.6. I haven't seen any fixes proposed in this area for inclusion in X server version 1.6. Please let me know if you've got something for me to take a look at. -- [EMAIL PR

Re: [PATCH 0/4] xkb core->xkb conversion fixes

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 04:45:19PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: > > Thomas, here's the set of patches that appears to fix the problem. It's a > combination of some bugs and insanity in the XKB protocol. Great. that didn't work out as planned. You need the following patches, in this order: xkb:

[PATCH] xkb: don't treat groups with different no of symbols as identical.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Signed-off-by: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- xkb/XKBMisc.c |2 ++ 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/xkb/XKBMisc.c b/xkb/XKBMisc.c index c0b1878..dcde470 100644 --- a/xkb/XKBMisc.c +++ b/xkb/XKBMisc.c @@ -242,6 +242

[PATCH] xkb: explicitly check for group replication in the core representation.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Single-group keys may get replicated amongst all groups. Check explicitly for this case and squash it down to one group. Signed-off-by: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- xkb/XKBMisc.c | 82 +++- 1

[PATCH 3/3] xkb: don't treat groups with different no of symbols as identical.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Signed-off-by: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- xkb/XKBMisc.c |2 ++ 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/xkb/XKBMisc.c b/xkb/XKBMisc.c index c0b1878..dcde470 100644 --- a/xkb/XKBMisc.c +++ b/xkb/XKBMisc.c @@ -242,6 +242

[PATCH 2/3] xkb: explicitly check for group replication in the core representation.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Single-group keys may get replicated amongst all groups. Check explicitly for this case and squash it down to one group. Signed-off-by: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- xkb/XKBMisc.c | 82 +++- 1

[PATCH] xkb: don't replicate past the number of groups we have.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- xkb/xkbUtils.c |7 --- 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/xkb/xkbUtils.c b/xkb/xkbUtils.c index 313d418..014ddef 100644 --- a/xkb/xkbUtils.c +++ b/xkb/xkbUtils.c @@ -524,7 +524,7 @@ int maxNumberOfGro

[PATCH] xkb: ensure enough symbols for core Group1 replication.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A single-group key on a multi-group keyboard has to be replicated across all three groups (see Section 12.4 of the XKB protocol spec). Ensure that there's enough symbols available to actually do that. e.g. a key ABCD on a 3 group keyboard needs to be repli

[PATCH 1/3] xkb: don't replicate past the number of groups we have.

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
From: Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- xkb/xkbUtils.c |7 --- 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/xkb/xkbUtils.c b/xkb/xkbUtils.c index 313d418..014ddef 100644 --- a/xkb/xkbUtils.c +++ b/xkb/xkbUtils.c @@ -524,7 +524,7 @@ int maxNumberOfGro

[PATCH 0/4] xkb core->xkb conversion fixes

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
Thomas, here's the set of patches that appears to fix the problem. It's a combination of some bugs and insanity in the XKB protocol. Basically, we're required to convert from XKB to core (including the weird replication in ae986d1c73d), but when converting back we're missing vital information and

Re: X Hangs at "Initializing int10"

2008-12-01 Thread Matthieu Herrb
Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > Hi all. I'm upgrading from Fedora 6 to Fedora 10. I did a clean > install of Fedora 10 and then, as the default X config didn't work, I > copied across my old xorg.conf file. Naturally I had to comment out a > few lines in that file. > > Now a word on my setup. I

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 04:18:36AM -0200, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > >> One possible solution, that I proposed some time ago (but got no > >> response) would be to add something like an "UDI" option to input > >> devices. So, one could have something like this in his xorg.conf: > >>

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 04:18:36AM -0200, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > >> One possible solution, that I proposed some time ago (but got no > >> response) would be to add something like an "UDI" option to input > >> devices. So, one could have something like this in his xorg.conf: > >>

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
>> One possible solution, that I proposed some time ago (but got no >> response) would be to add something like an "UDI" option to input >> devices. So, one could have something like this in his xorg.conf: >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> Identifier "Mouse1" >> Driver "mouse" >> Option

[VGA] HW decoder

2008-12-01 Thread Legis Lu
Dears, Except libxvmc. Does new VGA driver or others support 264 or VC1 hardware decode? BR, Legis ___ xorg mailing list xorg@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 12:49:40AM -0200, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote: > >> 2. If the evdev driver is not installed on the system it does not flip > >> it's default. > > > > Arguably, that's a busted configuration. The stan

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote: >> 2. If the evdev driver is not installed on the system it does not flip >> it's default. > > Arguably, that's a busted configuration. The standard fdi tells HAL to add > input.x11_driver=evdev (on linux systems). If you then deny X

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 01:39 -0800, David Miller wrote: > > I'm not against any of this stuff, I'm against it being > done by default which breaks things on existing systems > that try to build GIT xorg and help you guys test things. In the particular case of --disable-builtin-fonts, I think 'only

xset dpms and power management doesn't work with vesa driver

2008-12-01 Thread Dave Wood
Vesa driver seems to ignore dpms settings and even 'xset dpms force off' won't power off display. Thinkpad T42 with an ATI Radeon M 7500 Slackware 12.0 xorg 7.1 -- Psychiatrists say that one out of four people are mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're OK, you're it. ___

X Hangs at "Initializing int10"

2008-12-01 Thread Timothy S. Nelson
Hi all. I'm upgrading from Fedora 6 to Fedora 10. I did a clean install of Fedora 10 and then, as the default X config didn't work, I copied across my old xorg.conf file. Naturally I had to comment out a few lines in that file. Now a word on my setup. I have two screens, one hanging off an n

Re: libXrandr 1.2.91

2008-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Julien Cristau wrote: > This is the first beta for libXrandr 1.3. It adds projective transforms > and GetScreenResourcesCurrent, panning support is not there yet. I presume this needs an updated xrandrproto? Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Trib

Re: Random X crashes - radeon m 7500

2008-12-01 Thread Alex Deucher
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Dave Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the kast few days I've had quite a few X crashes. I tried to attach > process to gdb but I had some internal errors and locked up my laptop when > I tried to switch back to vt 7. This is a radeon M 7500 > > Is there some way

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Peter Hutterer wrote: > Pretty much the same behaviour when you remove mouse/kbd, btw. Yeah I guess I can't argue with that logic ;) Col -- Colin Guthrie gmane(at)colin.guthr.ie http://colin.guthr.ie/ Day Job: Tribalogic Limited [http://www.tribalogic.net/] Open Source: Mandriva Linux C

Re: Broken X11 After Mandriva Upgrade

2008-12-01 Thread Paulo Cesar Pereira de Andrade
Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 23:27 -0200, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > >> Remove the x11-driver-video-sun... packages listed above. They >> were being build and installed by default, but they won't work >> on a "normal" ix86 computer. > > Making one wonder why you build th

Re: [PATCH] Use cached XKB keymap when rules haven't changed

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:26:32AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 02:31:48AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 06:36:32AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > > > I was reading the xkb-atkins log a couple weeks ago. It looks like a > > > nice diet. :) > > > >

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Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote: > 2. If the evdev driver is not installed on the system it does not flip > it's default. Arguably, that's a busted configuration. The standard fdi tells HAL to add input.x11_driver=evdev (on linux systems). If you then deny X the driv

Re: [PATCH] Use cached XKB keymap when rules haven't changed

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 02:31:48AM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 06:36:32AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > > I was reading the xkb-atkins log a couple weeks ago. It looks like a > > nice diet. :) > > FWIW, this is progressing nicely, except I've currently regressed the > case

Re: XGE protocol spec

2008-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:57:16AM -0600, Pat Kane wrote: > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Peter Hutterer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... > > ┌─── > >RRScreenChangeNotify > >type: BYTE; always GenericEvent > >extension: CARD8; extension

[ANNOUNCE] libXrandr 1.2.91

2008-12-01 Thread Julien Cristau
This is the first beta for libXrandr 1.3. It adds projective transforms and GetScreenResourcesCurrent, panning support is not there yet. Cheers, Julien Adam Jackson (2): Remove RCS tags. Add GetScreenResourcesCurrent Julien Cristau (3): Set attr->pendingNparams in XRRGetCrtcTr

Re: Fwd: X.org PCI changes breaks support for Silicon Motion SM720 Lynx3DM card?

2008-12-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 00:39 -0800, Richard Schwarting wrote: > So, I'm going to try and find out what the correct behaviour should be > to fix it, but any hints would be gratefully appreciated. Other drivers handle this by unmapping memory at the end of PreInit. - ajax signature.asc Descriptio

Re: Broken X11 After Mandriva Upgrade

2008-12-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 23:27 -0200, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > Remove the x11-driver-video-sun... packages listed above. They > were being build and installed by default, but they won't work > on a "normal" ix86 computer. Making one wonder why you build them for architectures that do

Pend X server 1.6 Beta2 until Dec 1

2008-12-01 Thread Keith Packard
I've integrated the Xinput changes, but I'm still waiting for the RandR 1.3 panning updates and DRI2 bits. Plus, there was a US holiday over the weekend that shortened my work schedule a bit. So, I'll finish up the Beta2 release tomorrow. For those of you interested in getting bits into the X ser

Re: Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Sergey Udaltsov wrote: > Of course, this is only for kbd driver (which is nearly deprecated > these days, isn't it?;) Except on non-Linux systems, where kbd is still used since evdev can't be. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window Sy

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 16:58 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 16:47, Alexander E. Patrakov a écrit : >> >>> Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. >> There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually >> painted on its keys

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Daniel Stone wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote: >> James Cloos wrote: >>> Using --disable-config-dbus --disable-config-hal when configuring will >>> drop the input mess and use the spec from xorg.conf. >> Having just experienced this exact issue, I don'

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
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Re: Xrandr does not support screen size across two screens

2008-12-01 Thread Tobias Kaminsky
On Sunday 30 November 2008 19:50:28 Tino Keitel wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 14:53:54 +, Tobias Kaminsky wrote: > > > I don't know any details about Xephyr, but the current stable release > > > of the Xserver doesn't allow multihead accross multiple graphic > > > adapters. This is a planned

i915 backlight failure on resume with 2.6.27

2008-12-01 Thread James Bottomley
You probably remember the system, it's my fujitsu P7120 lifebook with the funny backlight wiring. Previously, suspend/resume was made to work by saving the PCI state including the legacy backlight register setting (and worked just fine when invoked with a hal quirk). On FC9, with the 2.6.26 fedor

Re: X input module binary compatibility across xorg 1.3, 1.4, or 1.5?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Chueh Steel wrote: > Hi, all, > > 1. Is it possible to compiler one X input module so that it could be > binary compatible across xorg 1.3, 1.4 or 1.5? I believe Nvidia does this, but I don't know if they've published how. Due to the API/ABI changes, you would have to have header files available

Re: DeliverPropertyEvent() accessing unallocated memory

2008-12-01 Thread Adam Jackson
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Re: Frame buffer Changed Event.

2008-12-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 10:18 +0800, Leandro Galvez wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Does damage extension have the api to notify if the framebuffer > has already been updated with the data? Need something to notify me if > buffer has already been updated and ready for display so I can send > the data to

Re: [PATCH] fix CARD* redefinition in xf86-video-intel

2008-12-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:22 +0100, Rémi Cardona wrote: > Hi all, > > Arjan sent a patch a month ago about this build bug. Basically, > bios_reader.c redefines CARD* which is defined in some versions of > hw/xfree86/ddc/edid.h, but was removed when vdif.h was dropped last year. > > Here's my attem

Re: Using XTestFakeDeviceMotionEvent().

2008-12-01 Thread Chris Ball
Hi James, > It warped my pointer to 600,400. > My server and client libs are all from git (master branches), x86 > (32bit). Thanks, that's very helpful to hear. I'm also running from GIT master (via jhbuild), but on 64-bit x86 and Fedora 10. Cheers, - Chris. -- Chris Ball <[EMAIL

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:11:46PM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. > > > > Yes, there is, and it's called US. This isn't being Anglo-centric or > > Which US layout - there are several and then you get all the variants > with extra funny buttons

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> b) given that we're talking about font rendering, how we talk about > Linux systems that actually render fonts? The subset that do: Framebuffer drivers, nanogui, and X (particularly non embedded devices). Kernel side font handling is bitmaps or font tables with the work done by the video

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 16:58 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 16:47, Alexander E. Patrakov a écrit : > > > Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. > > There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually > painted on its keys (and even then many

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> > Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. > > Yes, there is, and it's called US. This isn't being Anglo-centric or Which US layout - there are several and then you get all the variants with extra funny buttons for internet etc ? > anything, and I'm not going to argue the point.

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 16:58:42 01.12.2008 UTC+01 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: >> Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. NM> There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually NM> painted on its keys /me wonders what "Happy Hacking Blank Top" keyboards w

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:50:25PM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > If you're saying X is now needed to render the console I think people > > will object. > > Of course not - the majority of Linux systems don't even run X. I can think of two possible responses: a) good, so it's off-topic for xorg@;

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 16:47, Alexander E. Patrakov a écrit : > Apriori, there is no sensible default keyboard layout. There could be if the hardware started advertising what actually painted on its keys (and even then many people would want to override it). Since it does not, you're right. --

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:47:02PM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > 2008/12/1 Corbin Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Now, the big difference between HAL and udev is that udev sets its defaults > > based on LSB. I don't know whether or not LSB has anything to say about > > keyboard layouts, or

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> I just observe few people are working on them anymore, because most > applications use something else. I see few people working on them because they are not broken and don't need work. Same with the consoles. We get almost no console patches because the kernel consoles do what people need alread

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> I mean this is broken every Fedora release or so just by applying > system updates without any user-level intervention. I don't think that So file a Fedora bug. > > The font data is out there already thank you. As you keep conveniently > > forgetting X can already render those fonts to bitmaps

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2008/12/1 Corbin Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Would a udev analogy be appropriate? I think, yes. > udev is a userspace program that > manages a very low-level policy for the kernel. It's responsible for setting > sensible defaults, but can be fully customized in order to fit the needs of > anyb

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:27:49PM +, Alan Cox wrote: > Your other assumptions are crap too. If people need to do the work then > the work will be done. Someone will take an hour to zap out the new > bitmap fonts and all will be done. Good, so if someone cares, then they'll stop using xorg@ as

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > 1. they do not use the layout database where maintenance happens > (xkb-config) > 2. therefore the optimal layout is often missing console-side, and > "good-enough for debugging" qwerty is used > 3. even when there is a good layout,

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
Hi, On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:33:02PM +, Colin Guthrie wrote: > James Cloos wrote: > > Using --disable-config-dbus --disable-config-hal when configuring will > > drop the input mess and use the spec from xorg.conf. > > Having just experienced this exact issue, I don't think this is correct.

Re: [PATCH] Use cached XKB keymap when rules haven't changed

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 06:36:32AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > I was reading the xkb-atkins log a couple weeks ago. It looks like a > nice diet. :) FWIW, this is progressing nicely, except I've currently regressed the case where people can't compile XKB keymaps. Normally I wouldn't really care

Re: XGE protocol spec

2008-12-01 Thread Pat Kane
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Peter Hutterer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > ┌─── >RRScreenChangeNotify >type: BYTE; always GenericEvent >extension: CARD8; extension offset >sequenceNumber: CARD16 low 16 bits of request

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 12:59 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > The result is that since there is no single shared layout X and the > > kernel use, no layout info is exposed by the kernel infrastructure. > > (and from a functional point of view there is no reason a key should > > have a different behaviour

Re: [PATCH] Use cached XKB keymap when rules haven't changed

2008-12-01 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 03:24:42PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 06:28:58AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: >> > So, it turns out that XkbCopyKeymap doesn't quite do what you'd expect, >> > failing to

Re: What is the purpose of HAL?

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas Ilnseher
Am Sonntag, den 30.11.2008, 23:56 +0600 schrieb Mikhail Gusarov: > Twas brillig at 18:45:04 30.11.2008 UTC+01 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre > and gimble: > > p> Afaict, HAL is a daemon used to handle hotplug/coldplug of hardware > p> devices. How is this different from what, for instance, ud

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Corbin Simpson
Daniel Stone wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47:06AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >> Also, currently, for unconfigured Xorg, such newly-added keyboard gets >> the "us" layout. This is also a hard-coded policy, should we remove it? > > Ignoring both the rhetoric and the fact that neith

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Dan Nicholson
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Alexander E. Patrakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is traditionally the default only in Xorg. If you get a Russian > version of Windows 2000 or XP, Russian will be the default, with the > possibility to switch to English with Alt+Shift. Also, even in the US >

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 14:36, Olivier Galibert a écrit : > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 02:05:24PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> >> Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 13:44, Olivier Galibert a écrit : >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:40:57PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> As usual, people who car

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 14:31, Alan Cox a écrit : > >> Just check the console on any random selection of non-us or uk >> systems >> and you'll see the current garbage is the console output. Sure it is >> not a blocker because all the different encodings agree on the ASCII >> part, but anything out

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 14:27, Alan Cox a écrit : > Look I really don't give a hoot about your personal font politics, but > trying to bring in bogus technical arguments on the assumption that > writing a short bit of code to generate bitmap fonts is too hard for > people is a bit of a joke. Ala

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Olivier Galibert
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 02:05:24PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 13:44, Olivier Galibert a écrit : > > > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:40:57PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> As usual, people who care about something are free to maintain it in > >> good shape, since

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:33:59 +0100 Olivier Galibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > BTW now that almost all the X userspace has been converted to use > > fontconfig and modern TrueType/OpenType fonts, I expect the level of > > attent

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> The result is that since there is no single shared layout X and the > kernel use, no layout info is exposed by the kernel infrastructure. > (and from a functional point of view there is no reason a key should > have a different behaviour in X and the console). So load the correct keyboard tables

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
James Cloos wrote: > Using --disable-config-dbus --disable-config-hal when configuring will > drop the input mess and use the spec from xorg.conf. Having just experienced this exact issue, I don't think this is correct. The new server flag AllowEmptyInput does two things wrong right now IMO. 1.

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> Just check the console on any random selection of non-us or uk systems > and you'll see the current garbage is the console output. Sure it is > not a blocker because all the different encodings agree on the ASCII > part, but anything outside the 127 first codepoints has a high > probability of be

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> In case you've not noticed the so-called kernel console userspace is > totally unable right now to turn standard vectorised fonts into > bitmaps suiting a changing variety of hardware and encodings, and > relies on manually pre-processed bitmap fonts precious few people > maintain and adapt to en

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 14:10, Alan Cox a écrit : > All non issues. > > In case you've not noticed every time you use a vectorised font you > turn > it into a bitmap to suit a changing variety of hardware and encodings. In case you've not noticed the so-called kernel console userspace is totally

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, James Cloos wrote: >> "David" == David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > David> Yet my emacs fonts are fux0red, my input device specifications in > David> my xorg.conf file are completely ignored, and MetaSendsEscape no > David> longer works with my xterms, with the cu

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 13:59, Alan Cox a écrit : > >> The result is that since there is no single shared layout X and the >> kernel use, no layout info is exposed by the kernel infrastructure. >> (and from a functional point of view there is no reason a key should >> have a different behaviour in

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Alan Cox
> > What is there to maintain, exactly? > > Fonts are not generated out of thin hair and they need to be updated > to keep up with the environment. Only if you keep breaking the environment carelessly. > Environment changes can be changes in encoding standards (unicode is > still evolving and ev

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 13:44, Olivier Galibert a écrit : > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:40:57PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> As usual, people who care about something are free to maintain it in >> good shape, since this is how free software works. > > What is there to maintain, exactly? Font

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Olivier Galibert
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:40:57PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > As usual, people who care about something are free to maintain it in > good shape, since this is how free software works. What is there to maintain, exactly? OG. ___ xorg mailing list

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Olivier Galibert
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > BTW now that almost all the X userspace has been converted to use > fontconfig and modern TrueType/OpenType fonts, I expect the level of > attention fonts in legacy bitmap format receive to drop sharply, which > will ultimately lead

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread James Cloos
> "David" == David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> Yet my emacs fonts are fux0red, my input device specifications in David> my xorg.conf file are completely ignored, and MetaSendsEscape no David> longer works with my xterms, with the current X server. Using --disable-config-dbus --d

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 13:33, Olivier Galibert a écrit : > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:15:05PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> BTW now that almost all the X userspace has been converted to use >> fontconfig and modern TrueType/OpenType fonts, I expect the level of >> attention fonts in legacy b

Re: Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-12-01 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
Here I published the keycodes used for WWW and HomePage (and VendorHome, just in case): http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pCdLapzoHyYYFYQ5pKV3-QA Another suspect keycode: . May be, we just should state that I32 would be for HomePage, I02 would be for WWW?... Of course, this is only for kbd

Re: Additional NULL (??) layout group with evdev+hal

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas Fritzsche
Hi Peter, this is regression caused by correction for 14373 (fixed with commit ae986d1c73d). I rebuild server removing the coding that copy more than 2 shift level and more than 2 groups like this: /* AB..CDE... -> ABABCDE... */ if (groupWidth > 0 && maxSymsPerKe

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 12:22, Colin Guthrie a écrit : > I think the real question here is who is responsible for this. IMHO the core problem is that the Linux kernel console has been left to rot quietly. The main reason evdev/hal does not export a system layout information xorg could use automa

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Colin Guthrie
Xavier Bestel wrote: > On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 14:11 +, Beso wrote: >> just look at the >> evdev driver. i think that after its development >> the usability of keyboards and mouses has increased quite a lot. now i >> cannot see a reason to switch back to kbd + >> mouse instead of evdev. > > I s

Re: Fwd: X.org PCI changes breaks support for Silicon Motion SM720 Lynx3DM card?

2008-12-01 Thread Francisco Jerez
"Richard Schwarting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello. > > I have a Silicon Motion SM720 Lynx3DM card which X in Ubuntu 8.10 (and > Fedora 9) will not start on. The log seems fine but ends with: > AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 > > The issue it experience seems to have been introduc

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread David Miller
From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:26:51 +0100 (CET) > > > Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 11:19, David Miller a écrit : > > > > From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:17 +0100 (CET) > > > >> If there is somethign obvious here, is tha

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 11:19, David Miller a écrit : > > From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:17 +0100 (CET) > >> If there is somethign obvious here, is that emacs maintainers didn't >> made due diligence by any reasonable definition. Even the kernel >> made >

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread David Miller
From: Daniel Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:05:46 +1100 > On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:39:32AM -0800, David Miller wrote: > > From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET) > > > > > Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part beca

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread David Miller
From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:58:17 +0100 (CET) > If there is somethign obvious here, is that emacs maintainers didn't > made due diligence by any reasonable definition. Even the kernel made > major changes (devfs, sysfs, etc) in the time it took for emacs fo

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:39:32AM -0800, David Miller wrote: > From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET) > > > Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core fonts > > system had major problems with internationalization. > > Ironic

Re: Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-12-01 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
> I suspect WWW is more likely than HomePage. Yes, I suspect the same thing. That's why I asked. > But I see that some of the keyboards have both, often with as > HomePage and something else as WWW. Yes, for those cases we have to distinguish... > Maybe the bsd src for converting from usb to the

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 décembre 2008 10:39, David Miller a écrit : > > From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET) > >> Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core >> fonts >> system had major problems with internationalization. > > Ironically y

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-12-01 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 14:11 +, Beso wrote: > just look at the > evdev driver. i think that after its development > the usability of keyboards and mouses has increased quite a lot. now i > cannot see a reason to switch back to kbd + > mouse instead of evdev. I see one: keyboard layout isn't re

Re: Using XTestFakeDeviceMotionEvent().

2008-12-01 Thread James Cloos
> "Chris" == Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> The following program (requires XInput2) warps my pointer to (0,0) Chris> instead of the requested (600,400). I'd be interested to know whether Chris> this happens for other people, It warped my pointer to 600,400. My server and cli

Re: Xrandr does not support screen size across two screens

2008-12-01 Thread Tino Keitel
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 14:53:54 +, Tobias Kaminsky wrote: > > I don't know any details about Xephyr, but the current stable release > > of the Xserver doesn't allow multihead accross multiple graphic > > adapters. This is a planned feature of Xserver 1.6. > > But I am using X across two scree

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-12-01 Thread David Miller
From: "Nicolas Mailhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:49:29 +0100 (CET) > Ironically fontconfig was adopted in large part because the core fonts > system had major problems with internationalization. Ironically you didn't read my posting. I'm not against any of this stuff, I'm aga

Re: Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-12-01 Thread James Cloos
> "Sergey" == Sergey Udaltsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If keyboards which use with the kbd driver generate in >> evdev I'd make be WWW and if they generate when using evdev >> then HomePage. Sergey> Ghm. How could I find this out without having that particular keyboard Sergey> in fr

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