Re: X Window system on Handheld devices

2011-07-17 Thread David Jackson
to save a megabyte or 2 of RAM makes no sense whatsoever. On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: On 07/16/11 06:43 PM, David Jackson wrote: Has the X.org organisation ever thought of promoting X.org for use by companies on thier handheld

X Window system on Handheld devices

2011-07-16 Thread David Jackson
Has the X.org organisation ever thought of promoting X.org for use by companies on thier handheld devices such as phones? X has really missed the boat on this one. Years ago, in their infinite wisdom, X.org developers removed monochrome support and low colour support, things that would have been

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-28 Thread David Jackson
sorry i was wrong On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Evgeny M. Zubok evgeny.zu...@tochka.ruwrote: David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com writes: As far as I know NX is a tunneling and compression technology but will not maintain a persistant X applications or session. The applications

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-28 Thread David Jackson
, 2011 at 8:02 AM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.comwrote: sorry i was wrong On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Evgeny M. Zubok evgeny.zu...@tochka.ruwrote: David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com writes: As far as I know NX is a tunneling and compression technology but will not maintain

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-28 Thread David Jackson
rootless operation is a big advantage in certain cases. But you are right, it does not forward any vector graphics data, such as GLX commands, which probably are somewhat faster than rasterised data. Currently, i am using xpra and x11vnc on Xvfb. When you use x11vnc on Xvfb, it seems to work much

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-28 Thread David Jackson
I meant to say, xvfb. not xrfb. The xvfb and x11vnc combo works great and is better than Xvnc. So far it has fixed my problems with not being able to use konqueror on VNC. On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 8:35 AM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.comwrote: I have recently started running x11vnc

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-27 Thread David Jackson
, 2011 at 2:29 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.comwrote: The client wouldnt have to be moved between servers at all, it could be the same proxy server, the proxy server could then open up connections to actual X servers and forward things to the real X servers. The proxy would massage

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-27 Thread David Jackson
Thank you for the information. As I mentioned, I was previously aware of Xmx, Xmove and XTV.. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: On 05/26/11 12:29 PM, David Jackson wrote: The client wouldnt have to be moved between servers at all, it could

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-27 Thread David Jackson
need to be rasterised as well since some windows may be partially or fully non visible. I have not had the opportunity to study modern video hardware so these are guesses. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:23 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you for the information. As I mentioned, I

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-27 Thread David Jackson
also listen to this advice. in the case of X, this also includes not only documenting fully how the server works and its internals, but also how video hardware works. On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Antoine Martin anto...@nagafix.co.ukwrote: On 05/28/2011 12:39 AM, David Jackson wrote: THanks

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-27 Thread David Jackson
, May 27, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Evgeny M. Zubok evgeny.zu...@tochka.ruwrote: David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com writes: The client wouldnt have to be moved between servers at all, it could be the same proxy server, the proxy server could then open up connections to actual X servers and forward

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-26 Thread David Jackson
version is that since VNC has a GPL license I can not merge the code into my Xorg source tree. Pat --- On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:07 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.com wrote: David Jackson wrote

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-26 Thread David Jackson
, the other was something called Xshare or something, and I am aware of a possible third that was called XTV. None are actively developed at this time. On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.comwrote: David Jackson wrote: I am know C, however I know little about

Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-25 Thread David Jackson
X.org needs to listen to users on X Window System flexibility. X has always been about mechanism, not policy, that allows users choice and flexibility, such as in window manangers. Many people I talk to, including myself, find remote desktop capabilities extremly useful and greatly increase the

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-25 Thread David Jackson
document. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Corbin Simpson mostawesomed...@gmail.comwrote: /me trudges through the rest On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:53 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.com wrote: Backwards compatability is always a must. It has become clear that X graphics primatives today

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-25 Thread David Jackson
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: On 05/25/11 12:53 PM, David Jackson wrote: X.org needs to listen to users on X Window System flexibility. X.Org does listen, but we don't have developers sitting around with nothing to do, but instead

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-25 Thread David Jackson
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@oracle.com wrote: On 05/25/11 01:54 PM, David Jackson wrote: I looked for information on vnc.so on Tightvnc's website. Tiger, not Tight, and yes, their website doesn't publish the documentation for their software, complain

Re: Ideas for X improvement.

2011-05-25 Thread David Jackson
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.comwrote: David Jackson wrote: A display driver that contains a VNC server. The problem with x11vnc is that it is slow, very slow. XVnc server, which is a X server that contains a VNC server but has no hardware