Getting there Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-02-20 Thread Albert Vilella
wrote: Hi all, What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/312756 http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=258304 Hybrids with the Ability to turn off the 3d chip: AMD/ATI

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-20 Thread Albert Vilella
Hi Alex, Any official or officious news from the ATI/AMD front about this? Thanks and apologies for my impatience :-p Albert. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: now the

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-20 Thread Alex Deucher
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, Any official or officious news from the ATI/AMD front about this? Thanks and apologies for my impatience :-p Sorry haven't had a chance to look into this yet. Anything more than a cursory glance will

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-17 Thread Glynn Clements
William Tracy wrote: I think a user logout-login, which at least in Ubuntu corresponds to a gdm restart nowadays, is a much leaner option than a cold reboot of the system. You only lose the opened windows, but all services like connection to internet, etc, are kept alive, so it's

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-16 Thread William Tracy
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: I think a user logout-login, which at least in Ubuntu corresponds to a gdm restart nowadays, is a much leaner option than a cold reboot of the system. You only lose the opened windows, but all services like connection

Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Albert Vilella
Hi all, What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/312756 http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=258304 Hybrids with the Ability to turn off the 3d chip: AMD/ATI calls

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:21:53 + Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? OLPC does automatic switching of display controller for power management. There are currently ~40 users of Sony

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Albert Vilella
What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? OLPC does automatic switching of display controller for power management. Interesting. So the OLPC also has a discrete and an integrated graphics card? Are these Intel or what brand

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Stephane Marchesin
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:21, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? There is no support, and AFAIK no roadmap either. There are many technical reasons why this is not possible today. In short

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 11:40:00 15.01.2009 UTC+01 when marche...@icps.u-strasbg.fr did gyre and gimble: SM In short, I wouldn't suggest getting a dual GPU laptop with the SM purpose of using it under linux, as one of the GPUs will probably SM stay unused. Well, it should be possible to run some

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Timo Aaltonen
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Stephane Marchesin wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:21, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? There is no support, and AFAIK no roadmap either. There are many

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Albert Vilella
There is no support, and AFAIK no roadmap either. There are many technical reasons why this is not possible today. In short, I wouldn't suggest getting a dual GPU laptop with the purpose of using it under linux, as one of the GPUs will probably stay unused. Just to clarify the current

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Stephane Marchesin at 15/01/09 10:40 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:21, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? There is no support, and AFAIK no roadmap

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:39:44 + Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? OLPC does automatic switching of display controller for power management. Interesting. So the OLPC also has

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Daniel Stone
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 01:05:10PM +, Alan Cox wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:39:44 + Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching in Xorg? OLPC does automatic switching of display controller

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Alan Cox
Right, which reduces it to a simple power management issue akin to powering down the 3D core on any modern chipset when you're not doing any rendering. Adding different devices with separate drivers is another matter altogether. Isn't dual driver support logically equivalent to xrandr

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Stephane Marchesin
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 15:13, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: Right, which reduces it to a simple power management issue akin to powering down the 3D core on any modern chipset when you're not doing any rendering. Adding different devices with separate drivers is another matter

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Daniel Stone
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 02:13:45PM +, Alan Cox wrote: Right, which reduces it to a simple power management issue akin to powering down the 3D core on any modern chipset when you're not doing any rendering. Adding different devices with separate drivers is another matter

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Albert Vilella
now the question is: leaving Nvidia and the downstream problems aside, how difficult would it be to convince ATI/AMD to provide such kind of documentation? Anyone insider here that can answer? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Daniel Stone dan...@fooishbar.org wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Matthias Hopf
On Jan 15, 09 16:20:32 +, Albert Vilella wrote: leaving Nvidia and the downstream problems aside, how difficult would it be to convince ATI/AMD to provide such kind of documentation? Anyone insider here that can answer? In the current (approximate) list of - 3D documentation (huge) -

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Alex Deucher
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: now the question is: leaving Nvidia and the downstream problems aside, how difficult would it be to convince ATI/AMD to provide such kind of documentation? Anyone insider here that can answer? We can definitely look

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Albert Vilella
Thanks Alex for your answer. It's great that you can look into it, and I can say that for one, I am optimistic about it :-p On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: now the question

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Glynn Clements
Stephane Marchesin wrote: and if you want to keep your session in between, we lack - X.Org infrastructure to hand a session from a graphics driver to another (there are a million of possible problems here) Right; like a million display parameters which a client can query, but for which there

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
On Thursday 15 of January 2009, Alex Deucher wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Albert Vilella avile...@gmail.com wrote: now the question is: leaving Nvidia and the downstream problems aside, how difficult would it be to convince ATI/AMD to provide such kind of documentation?

Re: Current support and roadmap for discrete graphics card hot switching

2009-01-15 Thread Albert Vilella
How about a gdm restart? That is effectively an X server restart, right? Then it's only about switching on and off the hardware, right? On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Glynn Clements gl...@gclements.plus.comwrote: Stephane Marchesin wrote: and if you want to keep your session in between,