It just occurred to me:
how do things work if you have a triple screen setup with two video
cards (I do at home) and the driver for one or both cards doesn't do
classic dual-screen, only randr?
Can you have one xrandr/xinerama screen combining monitors across
multiple cards?
Martin
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On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:35:14 -0500
Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote:
The number of zaphod users is relatively
small and the amount of developer resources to support it is
relatively high. More people want to be
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:38:16PM -0500:
So fine, here's the yearly zaphod fix:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=579cdcf9b4e38c791a497b747a055fc0a07d8dd6
I'm afraid
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:48:39AM -0500:
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:35:14 -0500
Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote:
The number of zaphod users is relatively
small and the amount of developer
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:48:39AM -0500:
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:35:14 -0500
Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote:
The
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:12:56 +0100
Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:07:18 +0100
Florian Mickler flor...@mickler.org wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:40:16 -0400
E0x samud...@gmail.com wrote:
a so useful thing like the zaphod mode with relatively small users
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 12:26:18 +0100
Florian Mickler flor...@mickler.org wrote:
On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:12:56 +0100
Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote:
This depends on your ability to understand the code.
Although i was the maintainer of the mga_vid driver
(a specialized video overlay
Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:38:16PM -0500:
So fine, here's the yearly zaphod fix:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=579cdcf9b4e38c791a497b747a055fc0a07d8dd6
I'm afraid this doesn't quite do it.
It corrects the mistake of detecting DVI (see
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:10:07 -0600
Jesse W. Hathaway je...@mbuki-mvuki.org wrote:
Martin Cracauer:
Overall my original impression has been reinforced: you basically
dropped what hackers need when getting work done on a desktop Unix
machine in favor of what managerish types coming from
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:35:14 -0500
Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com wrote:
The number of zaphod users is relatively
small and the amount of developer resources to support it is
relatively high. More people want to be able to use and dynamically
switch between all their connectors than want
a so useful thing like the zaphod mode with relatively small users ? in my
opinion
i don't think that , in my case i used have it for run my media center in
0.1 and the normal desktop in 0.0 so i can still watch my media while some
friends or somebody chat or surf without interfece , i can't do
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:40:16 -0400
E0x samud...@gmail.com wrote:
a so useful thing like the zaphod mode with relatively small users ? in my
opinion
i don't think that , in my case i used have it for run my media center in
0.1 and the normal desktop in 0.0 so i can still watch my media while
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:07:18 +0100
Florian Mickler flor...@mickler.org wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:40:16 -0400
E0x samud...@gmail.com wrote:
a so useful thing like the zaphod mode with relatively small users ? in my
opinion
i don't think that , in my case i used have it for run my
Am 17 Feb 2010 12:38:16, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com schrieb:
And aside from that, didn't you say earlier that the Intel
driver actually has it removed and that it is official Xorg
policy that keeping classic dual-screen alive is not intended?
Yes, the intel driver has removed it.
Eeri Kask wrote:
Am 17 Feb 2010 12:38:16, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com schrieb:
And aside from that, didn't you say earlier that the Intel
driver actually has it removed and that it is official Xorg
policy that keeping classic dual-screen alive is not intended?
Yes, the intel driver
Am 02/18/2010 03:57 PM, Alan Coopersmith schrieb:
or (3) have paying customers who want it to be supported, so it's
worth them spending the time needed on it? (I have no knowledge
of whether that's the case or not, it just seems like an obvious
possibility that you overlooked, since Nvidia
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in
Debian/Stable. That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with
classic dualhead effectively removed.
The goal is to see how practical xrandr is for dual-screen purposes,
today.
I started the X11 server with 1400x1050
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 09:45:25 -0500, a écrit :
Before I pass final verdict, what would be involved in -say- hacking
up fvwm2 to deal with xrandr?
Note
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395500
Actually you just need to restart fvwm to make it notice the new
Martin Cracauer:
Overall my original impression has been reinforced: you basically
dropped what hackers need when getting work done on a desktop Unix
machine in favor of what managerish types coming from Windows need
when standing in front of a projector and need to get their
single-task
Martin Cracauer wrote:
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in
Debian/Stable. That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with
classic dualhead effectively removed.
Isn't classic dualhead removed by the specific drivers? I didn't
think anything had
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in
Debian/Stable. That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with
classic dualhead effectively removed.
The goal is to see how practical xrandr
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alan Coopersmith wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 07:34:01AM -0800:
Martin Cracauer wrote:
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in
Debian/Stable. That is the same Debian that has the Xorg
Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:35:37AM -0500:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in
Debian/Stable. ?That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with
classic
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 10:50:12 -0500, a écrit :
Thanks for the fvwm2 tip, I'll try that later. Of course it won't do
anything about the other client problems and the virtual desktop
switching.
Note that virtual desktop switching is handled by fvwm2 too. Initially
I thought
Samuel Thibault wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:10:19PM +0100:
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 10:50:12 -0500, a ?crit :
Thanks for the fvwm2 tip, I'll try that later. Of course it won't do
anything about the other client problems and the virtual desktop
switching.
Note that
Samuel Thibault wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:29:12PM +0100:
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 11:17:52 -0500, a ?crit :
Apart from that, in the movie situation wouldn't clients that open
dialog boxes in the middle of what they think is the screen obscure
parts of the movie at random
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:35:37AM -0500:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:38:18 -0500
Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Samuel Thibault wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:29:12PM +0100:
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 11:17:52 -0500, a ?crit :
Apart from that, in the movie situation wouldn't clients that open
dialog boxes in
i am another person affect with the miss of zaphod mode , is like martin say
, in some point ( i not sure in what version that this get wrong ) get
broken i am like martin that the xrandr solution not cover (or i dont want
use ) my needs i think is something that the Xorg team need fix up because
Dave Airlie wrote on Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27:49PM +1000:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Thanks for all the clarifications, Alex.
I understand the desire to drop the lesser used of two similar
subsystems, but it does present a real problem
[I started a longer reply, but apathy took over.]
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:53:55AM -0500, Martin Cracauer wrote:
I just wonder what Xorg's intended endgame is? The direct equivalent
of what MS Windows had for a decade or longer, with everything that
made Unix/X11 stand out being removed?
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Dave Airlie wrote on Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:27:49PM +1000:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Thanks for all the clarifications, Alex.
I understand the desire to drop the
evidence type=anecdotal
I do know a few people who got an unpleasant surprise when this
stopped working for them, only to discover Xorg had taken it out a
year or so before but their distro had only just upgraded to that
version. They were rather upset and annoyed. (Though conceding the
Martin Cracauer wrote:
...
Anyway...
I will also spend some time this week to test the available Window
managers to see where they stand wrt xrandr and report back. I
noticed that fvwm2 seems broken enough to not even get keyboard focus
over to the added desktops, ever. I also don't
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
I have a Thinkpad T41 with an internal LCD and a VGA out, using an
older Radeon chip and the radeon Xorg driver. I have a display at the
VGA out and have configured dual-head via ServerLayout. This broke
with an update
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:52:44AM -0500:
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
I have a Thinkpad T41 with an internal LCD and a VGA out, using an
older Radeon chip and the radeon Xorg driver. ?I have a display at the
VGA out and have
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:52:44AM -0500:
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
I have a Thinkpad T41 with an internal LCD and a VGA out, using an
older Radeon
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:27:39AM -0500:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:52:44AM -0500:
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
I have a Thinkpad
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:27:39AM -0500:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:52:44AM -0500:
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:35:14PM -0500:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:27:39AM -0500:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org
wrote:
Alex Deucher
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:35:14PM -0500:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:27:39AM -0500:
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010
Thanks for all the clarifications, Alex.
I understand the desire to drop the lesser used of two similar
subsystems, but it does present a real problem for me.
To elaborate a little.
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 06:16:25PM -0500:
That there will be no way to have different
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Thanks for all the clarifications, Alex.
I understand the desire to drop the lesser used of two similar
subsystems, but it does present a real problem for me.
To elaborate a little.
Alex Deucher wrote on Mon, Feb
Dave Airlie airl...@gmail.com writes:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote:
Thanks for all the clarifications, Alex.
I understand the desire to drop the lesser used of two similar
subsystems, but it does present a real problem for me.
To elaborate a
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, Martin Cracauer wrote:
Your best bet is to switch to using xrandr to configure your card:
http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
It will let you dynamically switch between single and multi-head.
No, that doesn't work for me. I need classic dualhead with
I have a Thinkpad T41 with an internal LCD and a VGA out, using an
older Radeon chip and the radeon Xorg driver. I have a display at the
VGA out and have configured dual-head via ServerLayout. This broke
with an update to Xorg 1.4.2.
Short version:
- I seem to select the wrong output between
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