Re: Where input (hotplugging) methods might go - highly speculative (was: Re: Zapping the Xorg server)

2010-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
Am Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:40:39 +1000 schrieb Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net: like /dev/input/mice? Kind of, but on steroids. Also in the concept I'm thinking of here, access to individual devices wasn't impossible. But you'd normally not need it. It only made sense in combination with

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-27 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 17:04 Thu 26 Aug , Glynn Clements wrote: Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: Which brings me to something I always wondered about: Why is there no X pendant for screen (or I'm not aware of it)? I.e. some proxy X server, opening an additional display passing through X transparently,

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-27 Thread Corbin Simpson
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Wolfgang Draxinger wdraxinger.maill...@draxit.de wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:44:46 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: Also, assuming that if we ditched input features somehow Gallium or other graphics parts would be finished sooner is a

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-27 Thread Glynn Clements
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Which brings me to something I always wondered about: Why is there no X pendant for screen (or I'm not aware of it)? I.e. some proxy X server, opening an additional display passing through X transparently, keeping record of prerequisite resources.

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-27 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
Am Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:50:33 -0700 schrieb Corbin Simpson mostawesomed...@gmail.com: Peter's been working solely on input handling and the XInput 2 stuff since he got started. If you want more work put into Gallium, you should find people like Marek, Luca, or me, that currently work on

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-26 Thread Miles Bader
Wolfgang Draxinger wdraxinger.maill...@draxit.de writes: I'm one of those who's work would be severely disrupted by a hardwired CTRL-ALT-Backspace Zap. CTRL-ALT-Backspace is hardwired in my fingers from nearly 30 years of editing using Emacs and kin. Just curious here, and don't want to

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-26 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:25:04 +0900 Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: (...) Only instead, it kills your X server... :( Ouch... Well, using Vim (and I preferably in uxterm) one is kind of protected from loosing changes by putting things into a screen session (but of course all the other

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-26 Thread Alex Deucher
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Wolfgang Draxinger wdraxinger.maill...@draxit.de wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:25:04 +0900 Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: (...) Only instead, it kills your X server...  :( Ouch... Well, using Vim (and I preferably in uxterm) one is kind of protected

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-26 Thread Tiago Vignatti
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:50:18PM +0200, ext Alex Deucher wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Wolfgang Draxinger wdraxinger.maill...@draxit.de wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:25:04 +0900 Miles Bader mi...@gnu.org wrote: (...) Only instead, it kills your X server...  :( Ouch...

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-26 Thread Glynn Clements
Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: Which brings me to something I always wondered about: Why is there no X pendant for screen (or I'm not aware of it)? I.e. some proxy X server, opening an additional display passing through X transparently, keeping record of prerequisite resources. Because it's

Re: Where input (hotplugging) methods might go - highly speculative (was: Re: Zapping the Xorg server)

2010-08-26 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:20:31 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: uhm. hotplugging works in that the X server receives an event when a device was added by the kernel. Then it opens the device file. See, that's exactly what I meant: There's extra work to be done by X, or any

Re: Where input (hotplugging) methods might go - highly speculative (was: Re: Zapping the Xorg server)

2010-08-26 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 06:59:48PM +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:20:31 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: uhm. hotplugging works in that the X server receives an event when a device was added by the kernel. Then it opens the device file. See,

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:19:05 +0200 Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: This is not true. The sequence was removed from the default xkb map, and can be turned back on with the appropriate xkb option, either in xorg.conf or your desktop or your session startup scripts. Well, this is a

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:05:42 +0100 Andrew Clayton and...@digital-domain.net wrote: Don't worry. It's still there. In some form, yes. However it can be disabled by setxkbmap -option Now there are situations in which you don't want users being able to disable the Zap, but also don't want the

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Patrick O'Donnell p...@ascent.com wrote: I'm one of those who's work would be severely disrupted by a hardwired CTRL-ALT-Backspace Zap. CTRL-ALT-Backspace is hardwired in my fingers from nearly 30 years of editing using Emacs and kin. Just curious

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:07:16 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: re:xmodmap, the following may be interesting reading http://who-t.blogspot.com/2010/06/keyboard-configuration-its-complicated.html Educational indeed. However I hate relying on desktop environments and their

Re: Delayed reply-CCs (was: Zapping the Xorg server)

2010-08-25 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
Sorry guys, I just took notice, that my replies missed the CC to the maillist (my failure, I messed up my MUAs configuration). So those who now get duplicates, due to the directly addressed replies, and now the CC, take my apologies. But I prefer to CCs my answers here for the discussion being

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Pat Kane
please tell a hardcore Vim user: What hotkey/command of Emacs collides See: http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/dontzap-emacs Pat --- On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Wolfgang Draxinger wdraxinger.maill...@draxit.de wrote: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT)

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/08/25 19:13 (GMT+0200) Wolfgang Draxinger composed: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:19:05 +0200 No related xorg.conf option has been removed. I beg to differ: ServerFlags Option DontZap off is no longer interpreted (on my system). Did you try it correctly quoted? Section ServerFlags

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 07:13:39PM +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:19:05 +0200 Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org wrote: This is not true. The sequence was removed from the default xkb map, and can be turned back on with the appropriate xkb option, either in

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 07:14:15PM +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:07:16 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: re:xmodmap, the following may be interesting reading http://who-t.blogspot.com/2010/06/keyboard-configuration-its-complicated.html

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:44:46 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: Then you get to either fix the scripts or fix your DE. No-one really cares _what_ desktop environment you're running and one is as good as the other. The one developers are running themselves naturally get more

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:45:51AM +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:44:46 +1000 Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net wrote: Then you get to either fix the scripts or fix your DE. No-one really cares _what_ desktop environment you're running and one is as good as

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-25 Thread Eirik Byrkjeflot Anonsen
Peter Hutterer peter.hutte...@who-t.net writes: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:45:51AM +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: [...] I this particular case: I'm system administrator at my university's student computer lab. Some students tend to lock their sessions, (override-)configuring

Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-24 Thread Wolfgang Draxinger
Hi, as you might know, Zapping the Xorg server by means of CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE has been first disabled by default, and later on the xorg.conf option went away, too. It is still possible to setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bks somewhere in the startup/init scripts to reenable, but I wonder

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-24 Thread Patrick O'Donnell
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:08:55 +0200 From: Wolfgang Draxinger wdraxinger.maill...@draxit.de ... CTRL, ALT and BACKSPACE however are present and behave the same on every keyboard (I know of, which are plenty). So, could we please bring back the static configuration for zapping the X server by

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-24 Thread Julien Cristau
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 18:08:55 +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: Hi, as you might know, Zapping the Xorg server by means of CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE has been first disabled by default, and later on the xorg.conf option went away, too. This is not true. The sequence was removed from

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-24 Thread Andrew Clayton
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:08:55 +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: Frankly, I don't see any sane reason, why it was removed in the first place. Disabling it by default, okay I can live with that. But taking away the option alltogether: Not good. Don't worry. It's still there. If your using gnome,

Re: Zapping the Xorg server

2010-08-24 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 06:08:55PM +0200, Wolfgang Draxinger wrote: as you might know, Zapping the Xorg server by means of CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE has been first disabled by default, and later on the xorg.conf option went away, too. It is still possible to setxkbmap -option