Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-22 Thread Alex Deucher
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:38:16PM -0500: So fine, here's the yearly zaphod fix: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=579cdcf9b4e38c791a497b747a055fc0a07d8dd6 I'm afraid

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-21 Thread Martin Cracauer
Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:38:16PM -0500: So fine, here's the yearly zaphod fix: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/commit/?id=579cdcf9b4e38c791a497b747a055fc0a07d8dd6 I'm afraid this doesn't quite do it. It corrects the mistake of detecting DVI (see

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-20 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:10:07 -0600 Jesse W. Hathaway je...@mbuki-mvuki.org wrote: Martin Cracauer: Overall my original impression has been reinforced: you basically dropped what hackers need when getting work done on a desktop Unix machine in favor of what managerish types coming from

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-18 Thread Eeri Kask
Am 17 Feb 2010 12:38:16, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com schrieb: And aside from that, didn't you say earlier that the Intel driver actually has it removed and that it is official Xorg policy that keeping classic dual-screen alive is not intended? Yes, the intel driver has removed it.

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-18 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Eeri Kask wrote: Am 17 Feb 2010 12:38:16, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.com schrieb: And aside from that, didn't you say earlier that the Intel driver actually has it removed and that it is official Xorg policy that keeping classic dual-screen alive is not intended? Yes, the intel driver

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-18 Thread Eeri Kask
Am 02/18/2010 03:57 PM, Alan Coopersmith schrieb: or (3) have paying customers who want it to be supported, so it's worth them spending the time needed on it? (I have no knowledge of whether that's the case or not, it just seems like an obvious possibility that you overlooked, since Nvidia

xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Martin Cracauer
Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in Debian/Stable. That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with classic dualhead effectively removed. The goal is to see how practical xrandr is for dual-screen purposes, today. I started the X11 server with 1400x1050

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 09:45:25 -0500, a écrit : Before I pass final verdict, what would be involved in -say- hacking up fvwm2 to deal with xrandr? Note http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395500 Actually you just need to restart fvwm to make it notice the new

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Jesse W. Hathaway
Martin Cracauer: Overall my original impression has been reinforced: you basically dropped what hackers need when getting work done on a desktop Unix machine in favor of what managerish types coming from Windows need when standing in front of a projector and need to get their single-task

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Martin Cracauer wrote: Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in Debian/Stable. That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with classic dualhead effectively removed. Isn't classic dualhead removed by the specific drivers? I didn't think anything had

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Alex Deucher
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in Debian/Stable.  That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with classic dualhead effectively removed. The goal is to see how practical xrandr

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Alex Deucher
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 07:34:01AM -0800: Martin Cracauer wrote: Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in Debian/Stable.  That is the same Debian that has the Xorg

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Martin Cracauer
Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:35:37AM -0500: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in Debian/Stable. ?That is the same Debian that has the Xorg server with classic

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Samuel Thibault
Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 10:50:12 -0500, a écrit : Thanks for the fvwm2 tip, I'll try that later. Of course it won't do anything about the other client problems and the virtual desktop switching. Note that virtual desktop switching is handled by fvwm2 too. Initially I thought

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Martin Cracauer
Samuel Thibault wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:10:19PM +0100: Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 10:50:12 -0500, a ?crit : Thanks for the fvwm2 tip, I'll try that later. Of course it won't do anything about the other client problems and the virtual desktop switching. Note that

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Martin Cracauer
Samuel Thibault wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:29:12PM +0100: Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 11:17:52 -0500, a ?crit : Apart from that, in the movie situation wouldn't clients that open dialog boxes in the middle of what they think is the screen obscure parts of the movie at random

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Alex Deucher
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Alex Deucher wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:35:37AM -0500: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Here are the results of my quick survey of Window Managers present in

Re: xrandr dual-screen usability survery (Was: Dual-head config broke with update to 1.4.2)

2010-02-17 Thread Florian Mickler
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:38:18 -0500 Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org wrote: Samuel Thibault wrote on Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 05:29:12PM +0100: Martin Cracauer, le Wed 17 Feb 2010 11:17:52 -0500, a ?crit : Apart from that, in the movie situation wouldn't clients that open dialog boxes in