On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 11:42:32AM +0100, Jose Fonseca wrote:
(I would like to step in and setup a Bug database that could be used
both for the XFree86 and DRI projects, but no matter how much I would
like that my time stretched, it doesn't, so I can't take
responsabilities which I wouldn't
On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 11:42:32AM +0100, Jose Fonseca wrote:
(I would like to step in and setup a Bug database that could be used
both for the XFree86 and DRI projects, but no matter how much I would
like that my time stretched, it doesn't,
On 15 Jul, this message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] echoed through cyberspace:
[snip]
Perhaps there would be value to a motion rate limiting option in the X
server. This is not merely covering up for flawed applications. In the
current environment, a fast application can respond to the
At first I was thinking What a high quality troll. Good job.. But
since it appears to be somewhat serious I suggest that if you really
want a better XFree86, you should define, document, and perform the
appropriate benchmark tests. Then the XFree developers are very likely
to make improvements
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:57:15PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, José Fonseca wrote:
[...]
The XFree86 developer page (http://www.xfree86.org/developer) says and I
quote:
When requesting to join the XFree86, the most important qualification is
not your
- Original Message -
From: José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Xpert]Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:57:15PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, José Fonseca
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 08:10:20AM -0400, G O Economou wrote:
[...]
But resuming the main issue here, it seems to me that one reason for the
difficulty in adding new features - which require a profound knowledge of
the architecture - is that those who have these knowledge are too busy
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:11:17AM +0200, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are:
1. XFree is far too slow.
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:56:41AM +0200, Xavier Bestel wrote:
Le lun 15/07/2002 à 01:39, Nick Name a écrit :
(3. It should be possible to configure XFree over a dialog that is
intergrated in Gnome and Kde.)
Someone should write it. Indeed I think there are: I personally use
debian, but
- Original Message -
From: José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Xpert]Is the XFree development stuck in a dead end?
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 08:10:20AM -0400, G O Economou wrote:
[...]
But resuming the main issue
On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 01:08:06PM -0400, G O Economou wrote:
[...]
Anyway, these are just my two cents. I know that nothing will change
whatever I say because the habits are just way too strong.
O so if we don't do it your way we're wrong? It's your way or the
highway?
Don't take
FWIW, I think this is a good debate to have here. Every year or so, we
have this discussion, and almost always something good comes from it.
Hopefully, these discussions can be lifted out of the accusations and
personal attacks that they sometimes degenerates into.
IMHO, I do not think XFree86
I know that is not good nettiquete to post private mails, but I never
take insults from nobody, even from pour souls with trouble
understanding english.
Also thanks to those who sent me mails telling to ignore Georgina, even
though they didn't imagine what was actually going on. I just wish I
Quoting José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Go Georgina, Go!
I really love reading Georgina's posts, besides I normally don't take
them too seriously, sometimes it's so fun :-)
I am not a native english speaker, but I will not be surprised if
José Fonseca is brazilian or portuguese (maybe
On Monday 15 July 2002 01:39, Nick Name wrote:
1. XFree is far too slow.
I don't know what your terms of comparison are, but for example return
to castle wolfenstein on same hardware runs really faster than on
windows, with maximum settings. Dunno if this means anything.
Sorry, I should've
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
As far as I know the only reason for having the X messaging
system is the remote display feature. But I guess that less
than 5% of the XFree users are actually using this feature and
there are already other solutions like VNC available.
Already
On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 04:43, James wrote:
Someone should write it. Indeed I think there are: I personally use
debian, but Mandrake, Suse and RedHat users continuously say that their
distribution can do everything graphically.
Better yet, XFree shouldn't need configuration at all
On Monday 15 July 2002 01:46, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
fundamential problems in XFree must be
Am Montag, 15. Juli 2002 09:34 schrieben Sie:
2. What is presented on the screen should always be consistent (i.e.
no flickering).
It is already?
No, just move one Window over another or do an opaque window resize and
you'll see artefacts all over the place.
Ohh this doesn't happen
Reply to the mail from Lukas Molzberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are:
1. XFree is far too
2. What is presented on the screen should always be consistent (i.e.
no flickering).
This is something I've seem many many times, mostly from people coming
from other OS. People claim that opaque move and resize is generally
faster with less flickering on other systems.
I feel concerned about
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:11:17AM +0200, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
Hello,
Hi.
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are:
Looks like a nice
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
On Monday 15 July 2002 01:46, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a
Am Montag, 15. Juli 2002 22:07 schrieben Sie:
Netscape is much faster than Mozilla. I think it's just that some
design decisions in the X version of Mozilla, which is probably much
different than the Window's version, are suboptimal. Having seen enough
Well I doubt Mozilla for Windows
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 08:32:21AM +0100, Dr Andrew C Aitchison wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
As far as I know the only reason for having the X messaging
system is the remote display feature. But I guess that less
than 5% of the XFree users are actually using this
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:07:45PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
On Monday 15 July 2002 01:46, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
[...]
As far as development being stuck, no, I don't think so. It's just
that the people who know enough about anything to
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, José Fonseca wrote:
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:07:45PM -0700, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
On Monday 15 July 2002 01:46, Mark Vojkovich wrote:
[...]
As far as development being stuck, no, I don't think so. It's just
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are:
1. XFree is far too slow.
2. What is presented on the screen should always be consistent
1. XFree is far too slow.
I don't know what your terms of comparison are, but for example return
to castle wolfenstein on same hardware runs really faster than on
windows, with maximum settings. Dunno if this means anything.
2. What is presented on the screen should always be consistent
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are:
1. XFree is far too slow.
No it
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
I know there have been countless discussions on the X messaging system, but
most of them missed the point. That is that such a messaging system
introduces an enormous amount of complexity. As far as I know the only reason
for having the X
Le lun 15/07/2002 à 01:39, Nick Name a écrit :
(3. It should be possible to configure XFree over a dialog that is
intergrated in Gnome and Kde.)
Someone should write it. Indeed I think there are: I personally use
debian, but Mandrake, Suse and RedHat users continuously say that their
Lukas,
Although you may have some valid concerns I think you're missing the big
picture.
On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 01:11:17AM +0200, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
Hello,
in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
However, before there is any real chance that this could
On 15 Jul 2002 01:56:41 +0200
Xavier Bestel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is that a joke ? Did you ever try to set up a second gfx card and
monitor under Mac OS ? It's a breeze, just point'n'click. Whereas in
X, you have to hunt for the Xinerama HOWTO and mess with the config
file.
Ok,
On 2002-07-15 at 01:11 +0200, Lukas Molzberger uttered:
| Hello,
| in recent years many people were talking about Linux on the desktop.
| However, before there is any real chance that this could happen a few
| fundamential problems in XFree must be solved. These are:
Linux on the desktop -- for
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:13:19 +0100
José Fonseca [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to
have X configured on a dialog, you need X running and configured on
the first place
Great! :)))
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Lukas Molzberger wrote:
What I want to suggest is to start from scratch and design a new, clean
and modern windowing system without any legacy.
And what evidence do you cite that this new system will be faster,
smaller, cleaner, or better? Designing a windowing system is
Someone should write it. Indeed I think there are: I personally use
debian, but Mandrake, Suse and RedHat users continuously say that their
distribution can do everything graphically.
Better yet, XFree shouldn't need configuration at all with modern
hardware: config is just needed for
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