Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-09 Thread Chris Nuernberger
1) Versioning Make sure your top level element contains all the version information that you need. When you switch versions, change this number and also add version information to any nodes that change substantially enough to require. Basically what I am getting at is that the version

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-09 Thread Stuart Anderson
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Chris Nuernberger wrote: What the hell does this mean? Obviously it is a modeline for 1024x480 but the rest of it is cryptic. ModeLine 1024x48065.00 1024 1032 1176 1344 480 488 494 563 -hsync -vsync FYI, there is a tutorial on Configuring XFree86 at

RE: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-05 Thread Mikael Olenfalk
Apropos this XML config stuff... I once thought of creating a rambased filesystem like devfs, but for XML configuration files. You would then mount the filesystem in let's say /xetc and when first mounted a daemon (like devfsd) transforms all (or those who have been choosen) configuration

RE: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-05 Thread Michael Michael
Exactly this would make conversion to and XML file format seemless and easy once the programs were converted then the XML file system would continue to be of use but in this case simple as a front end for a data base.. The XML file system represents and easy way to access XML data without

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-04 Thread Michael Michael
As an intermediate solution, can you write a tool that would generate XML from a normal config file, and then convert the XML back into the config file? You'd probably have to do something specialy to handle comments so that users don't lose their comments in the process. I

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-03 Thread Michael Michael
--- Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hope is that the configuration file becomes entirely optional. There's essentially nothing there which can't be autodetected on a reasonable system. At that point, the format of the file is moot. Actually long term I was hoping for

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-03 Thread Keith Packard
Around 14 o'clock on Oct 3, Michael Michael wrote: The big picture is I'd like to move towards a XML format for flat file view and database for ui managers. Moving to XML helps a lot in moving on to a system wide config data base. A zillion config file formats makes it difficult to

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-03 Thread Tom Panning
On Thursday 03 October 2002 5:33 pm, Michael Michael wrote: --- Keith Packard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My hope is that the configuration file becomes entirely optional. There's essentially nothing there which can't be autodetected on a reasonable system. At that point, the format

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-01 Thread Brad Hards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:31, Keith Packard wrote: My hope is that the configuration file becomes entirely optional. There's essentially nothing there which can't be autodetected on a reasonable system. And hopefully auto(re)configured, based on

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-01 Thread Adam Luchjenbroers
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 02:01 pm, Keith Packard wrote: My hope is that the configuration file becomes entirely optional. There's essentially nothing there which can't be autodetected on a reasonable system. At that point, the format of the file is moot. It has to be editable for those who still

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-01 Thread Josh Fryman
this is in essence what you can see on the linux kernel mailing list (and many others): gee, i have a great idea for this new solution to your existing module XYZ. i want to replace it with ABC. if i do, will you take it? the answer is that 'carte blanche' does not exist. the proof

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-01 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 05:10:26PM +0930, Adam Luchjenbroers wrote: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 02:01 pm, Keith Packard wrote: My hope is that the configuration file becomes entirely optional. There's essentially nothing there which can't be autodetected on a reasonable system. At that point,

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-10-01 Thread Jim.Gettys
It has to be editable for those who still use a config file (custom settings, modelines, etc) and personally I think the current format is quite nice for hand-editing. What I've seen of XML doesn't have that quality. For better, or for worse, XML looks like HTML, and many/most system managers

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Dr Andrew C Aitchison
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Michael Michael wrote: Has there been any discussion on translation of the current XF86 config file to XML format. Lots. Some of us are very resistant to changing what we have at the moment. See http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/xpert/2000-November/002982.html for an

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Mikael Claesson
Has there been any discussion on translation of the current XF86 config file to XML format. Lots. Some of us are very resistant to changing what we have at the moment. See Couldn't someone invent an XML version of the format and write a little translator program (or script) so that

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Michael Michael
--- Dr Andrew C Aitchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Michael Michael wrote: Has there been any discussion on translation of the current XF86 config file to XML format. Lots. Some of us are very resistant to changing what we have at the moment. It seem that XF86

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Andrew P. Lentvorski
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Michael Michael wrote: after 1990... Note these arguments are the standard anti-xml arguments given by most idots.. Okay, I will assume that you are not a troll just so I can put forth some of the non-standard arguments: 1) Versioning XML *still* doesn't have any good

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
MM Note these arguments are the standard anti-xml arguments given by MM most idots.. The XML proposals I've seen have been of the form ``I've just met Goedel in the lift, and he told me XML is a good idea, so why don't you folks implement XML for the server configuration file.'' Yours is the

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Michael Michael
--- Andrew P. Lentvorski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Michael Michael wrote: after 1990... Note these arguments are the standard anti-xml arguments given by most idots.. Okay, I will assume that you are not a troll just so I can put forth some of the non-standard

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Mike Stilson
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 02:58:02PM -0700, Michael Michael wrote: Like i said its usefulness is proven in many areas. I see no reason not to use it. It could be introduced without effecting the current parser. Current parser aside, how do you deal with the people who want to: root# vi

Re: [Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-30 Thread Keith Packard
My hope is that the configuration file becomes entirely optional. There's essentially nothing there which can't be autodetected on a reasonable system. At that point, the format of the file is moot. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab

[Xpert]XML format for XF86Config

2002-09-29 Thread Michael Michael
Has there been any discussion on translation of the current XF86 config file to XML format. This would make it extremely easy to develop UI base configuration systems for XFree and also offer and easy way to validate the config file. The current parser could be easily modified to generate and