[Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine

2002-12-02 Thread Bruce M Beach
SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-12-02 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:26:35AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: We might disable the RBL based rules in flagging spam; they do seem to have a rather high false-positive rate. Whether it's appropriate for the xpert list to partipcate in the social pressure aspect of DNSBLs (RBL is a trademark

RE: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-12-01 Thread Alexander Stohr
Title: RE: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*SPAM* Extracting a KeySym from an action routine) Then why not simply use an email confirmation like is used for verifying subscription and then cache the address for n days (where n is 30 or so) if the response comes back

RE: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-27 Thread Alexander Stohr
Title: RE: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*SPAM* Extracting a KeySym from an action routine) Sorry, the ends don't justify the means. False positives punish the ISP customer, who still has to pay her monthly/weekly/per-byte fees, whether the ISP fixes the problem or not. I

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-27 Thread Markus Gutschke
Alexander Stohr wrote: a moderated spam filter would be nicest, but this means that someone has permanent duty for letting falsely blocked mail pass, This is not quite true. I can envision a system that automatically quarantines (rather than discarding) suspected spam. It would then send

[Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine

2002-11-26 Thread Bruce M Beach
SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. SPAM: SPAM: Content

[OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 09:56:56PM +, Bruce M Beach wrote: SPAM: Start SpamAssassin results -- SPAM: This mail is probably spam. The original message has been altered SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future. SPAM: See

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread David Dawes
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:45:30PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Hmm, so we have 3 pieces of evidence that it isn't spam, four that it is (all of which are from blacklists), the blacklist scores were enough to get the message scored as spam, and yet it wasn't spam. Are we sure we want to be

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread Keith Packard
Around 14 o'clock on Nov 26, David Dawes wrote: All I can really say so far without having analysed the data is that the number of false positives has been relatively small compared to the number of valid positives. I need to assess now many valid positives were attributable to the RBL

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread David Dawes
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:26:35AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: Around 14 o'clock on Nov 26, David Dawes wrote: All I can really say so far without having analysed the data is that the number of false positives has been relatively small compared to the number of valid positives. I need to

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread xpert
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:26:35AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: We might disable the RBL based rules in flagging spam; they do seem to have a rather high false-positive rate. Whether it's appropriate for the xpert list to partipcate in the social pressure aspect of DNSBLs (RBL is a trademark

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM*****Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread Scott Long
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:30:51 +0100 Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En/na David Dawes ha escrit: All I can really say so far without having analysed the data is that the number of false positives has been relatively small compared to Zero false positives is the only acceptable

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread kwall
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:00:16PM +, John Tapsell wrote: well, if it works - then good! Hopefully it will piss off the customers enough that they'll go to another isp, or the isp will sort it out. If a customer cares enough about his email, he'll use a more ethical isp. [veering

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:00:16PM +, John Tapsell wrote: well, if it works - then good! Hopefully it will piss off the customers enough that they'll go to another isp, or the isp will sort it out. If a customer cares enough about his email, he'll use a more ethical isp. Wow, you live

Re: [OFFTOPIC] spam scoring (was: [Xpert]*****SPAM***** Extracting a KeySym from an action routine)

2002-11-26 Thread David Dawes
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 04:39:11PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 11:26:35AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: We might disable the RBL based rules in flagging spam; they do seem to have a rather high false-positive rate. Whether it's appropriate for the xpert list to