Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-21 Thread Anton Gladky
Can we delete already these pages on wiki?

https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Installation
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Installation_of_yade_on_debian_or_kubuntu
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/New_to_linux%3F



2010/7/9 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz

  Vaclav, what if we add references.bib in publication list, but in
  separate chapter?
  I think it will be more convenient.

 References are in references, publications are publications about Yade.
 Oh I see, references are not directly linked from the main page, but
 they are in in the full TOC
 https://yade-dem.org/sphinx/index-toctree.html

 I will fix that.

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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-21 Thread Bruno Chareyre

Hi Anton,

There is no need to delete old content or old pages, it is in fact 
better to keep it. I recommend to just replace the target of links when 
some content is ready in sphinx or elsewhere (see e.g. NEWS or Future 
Plans). If old pages are not linked, the average visitor will not see 
them (even safer if the first line in old page warns about deprecation 
and point to newer page) but we can still read them (ok, we can always 
roll-back and read them, but it is painfull).


For instance, I had hard time recently trying to figure out what/why 
publications have been removed from wiki but couldn't be found in sphinx 
(about 5 of them). It would have been easier for me to compare sphinx 
bib with the original wiki page. Full text links were also missing and I 
got to search them one by one, when I could have just copy/paste the 
adresses from wiki.


For publications line, I think publication target can be replaced by 
sphinx target and the sphinx link can be removed (I hope it is clear 
;-)).
For installation, I have no idea, I didn't check what is in sphinx, but 
I guess the same method applies : unlink wiki page and link sphinx page 
if there is an equivalent (in fact probably better than equivalent). 
Don't delete the content, somebody will appreciate to find it one day maybe.


Bruno




On 21/07/10 15:46, Anton Gladky wrote:

Can we delete already these pages on wiki?

https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Installation
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Installation_of_yade_on_debian_or_kubuntu
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/New_to_linux%3F



2010/7/9 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz mailto:eudo...@arcig.cz

 Vaclav, what if we add references.bib in publication list, but in
 separate chapter?
 I think it will be more convenient.

References are in references, publications are publications about
Yade.
Oh I see, references are not directly linked from the main page, but
they are in in the full TOC
https://yade-dem.org/sphinx/index-toctree.html

I will fix that.

v



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-21 Thread Anton Gladky
Ok, I agree.
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2010/7/21 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr

  Hi Anton,

 There is no need to delete old content or old pages, it is in fact better
 to keep it. I recommend to just replace the target of links when some
 content is ready in sphinx or elsewhere (see e.g. NEWS or Future Plans). If
 old pages are not linked, the average visitor will not see them (even safer
 if the first line in old page warns about deprecation and point to newer
 page) but we can still read them (ok, we can always roll-back and read them,
 but it is painfull).

 For instance, I had hard time recently trying to figure out what/why
 publications have been removed from wiki but couldn't be found in sphinx
 (about 5 of them). It would have been easier for me to compare sphinx bib
 with the original wiki page. Full text links were also missing and I got to
 search them one by one, when I could have just copy/paste the adresses from
 wiki.

 For publications line, I think publication target can be replaced by
 sphinx target and the sphinx link can be removed (I hope it is clear
 ;-)).
 For installation, I have no idea, I didn't check what is in sphinx, but I
 guess the same method applies : unlink wiki page and link sphinx page if
 there is an equivalent (in fact probably better than equivalent). Don't
 delete the content, somebody will appreciate to find it one day maybe.

 Bruno





 On 21/07/10 15:46, Anton Gladky wrote:

 Can we delete already these pages on wiki?

 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Installation
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Installation_of_yade_on_debian_or_kubuntu
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/New_to_linux%3F



 2010/7/9 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz

  Vaclav, what if we add references.bib in publication list, but in
  separate chapter?
  I think it will be more convenient.

  References are in references, publications are publications about Yade.
 Oh I see, references are not directly linked from the main page, but
 they are in in the full TOC
 https://yade-dem.org/sphinx/index-toctree.html

 I will fix that.

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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-08 Thread Václav Šmilauer
 Vaclav, what if we add references.bib in publication list, but in
 separate chapter?
 I think it will be more convenient.

References are in references, publications are publications about Yade.
Oh I see, references are not directly linked from the main page, but
they are in in the full TOC
https://yade-dem.org/sphinx/index-toctree.html

I will fix that.

v



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Václav Šmilauer
 I would like to ask the journal before adding the reference to the
 list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?
Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that a publisher
that does not want his article to be cited??



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Václav Šmilauer

 
 I did not find day-field in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX
 Should I add it anyway?
Yes, it will just be ignored by standard bibex.




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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Chareyre

Hehe. You lost me too Luc. ;-)
Concerning fulltext, I think we have a preprint of this one. We could 
upload it as this journal is not from one of the big publishers and many 
universities will not have it accessible online.


Bruno


Václav Šmilauer a écrit :

I would like to ask the journal before adding the reference to the
list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?


Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that a publisher
that does not want his article to be cited??



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Anton Gladky
Bruno, please, add your PHD-thesis to references also.
Thanks.

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2010/7/5 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr

 Hehe. You lost me too Luc. ;-)
 Concerning fulltext, I think we have a preprint of this one. We could
 upload it as this journal is not from one of the big publishers and many
 universities will not have it accessible online.

 Bruno


 Václav Šmilauer a écrit :

  I would like to ask the journal before adding the reference to the
 list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?


 Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that a publisher
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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Anton Gladky
Sorry, Bruno, it is already is in there.


2010/7/5 Anton Gladky gladky.an...@gmail.com

 Bruno, please, add your PHD-thesis to references also.
 Thanks.

 __

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 2010/7/5 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr

 Hehe. You lost me too Luc. ;-)
 Concerning fulltext, I think we have a preprint of this one. We could
 upload it as this journal is not from one of the big publishers and many
 universities will not have it accessible online.

 Bruno


 Václav Šmilauer a écrit :

  I would like to ask the journal before adding the reference to the
 list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?


 Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that a publisher
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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Chareyre

What do you mean? It was there, why did it disapear?

B.

Anton Gladky a écrit :

Bruno, please, add your PHD-thesis to references also.
Thanks.

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2010/7/5 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr 
mailto:bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr


Hehe. You lost me too Luc. ;-)
Concerning fulltext, I think we have a preprint of this one. We
could upload it as this journal is not from one of the big
publishers and many universities will not have it accessible online.

Bruno


Václav Šmilauer a écrit :

I would like to ask the journal before adding the
reference to the
list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?
   


Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that a
publisher
that does not want his article to be cited??



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Chareyre
Another question : is there a reason to link DOIs (pointing to 
abstracts) when fulltext are available from the website?
Exemple this : 
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/File:Chareyre%26Villard2005_licensed.pdf. I 
guess it can be linked directly?


B.

Anton Gladky a écrit :

Bruno, please, add your PHD-thesis to references also.
Thanks.

__

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2010/7/5 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr 
mailto:bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr


Hehe. You lost me too Luc. ;-)
Concerning fulltext, I think we have a preprint of this one. We
could upload it as this journal is not from one of the big
publishers and many universities will not have it accessible online.

Bruno


Václav Šmilauer a écrit :

I would like to ask the journal before adding the
reference to the
list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?
   


Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that a
publisher
that does not want his article to be cited??



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Chareyre

Anton Gladky a écrit :

Sorry, Bruno, it is already is in there.


It is not. Where is it gone?! ;-)

B.




2010/7/5 Anton Gladky gladky.an...@gmail.com 
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Bruno, please, add your PHD-thesis to references also.
Thanks.

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2010/7/5 Bruno Chareyre bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr
mailto:bruno.chare...@hmg.inpg.fr

Hehe. You lost me too Luc. ;-)
Concerning fulltext, I think we have a preprint of this one.
We could upload it as this journal is not from one of the big
publishers and many universities will not have it accessible
online.

Bruno


Václav Šmilauer a écrit :

I would like to ask the journal before adding the
reference to the
list, but maybe I could add this link as a first step?
   


Luc, we're only adding a reference, not fulltext. Is that
a publisher
that does not want his article to be cited??



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Anton Gladky
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yade-dev/yade/trunk/annotate/head:/doc/references.bib#L26

Is that yours?
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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Václav Šmilauer

 Another question : is there a reason to link DOIs (pointing to 
 abstracts) when fulltext are available from the website?
 Exemple this : 
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/File:Chareyre%26Villard2005_licensed.pdf. I 
 guess it can be linked directly?

There can be both (and are, in many cases). Since DOI is really the
standard for cross-referencing (it is unique), I think it should be
included for articles that have one. I think there are some tools that
use DOI for article lookup, when not using BiBTeX.

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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Chareyre

Ok, I saw those double links DOI/fullText. Thanks.

Bruno

Václav Šmilauer a écrit :
Another question : is there a reason to link DOIs (pointing to 
abstracts) when fulltext are available from the website?
Exemple this : 
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/File:Chareyre%26Villard2005_licensed.pdf. I 
guess it can be linked directly?



There can be both (and are, in many cases). Since DOI is really the
standard for cross-referencing (it is unique), I think it should be
included for articles that have one. I think there are some tools that
use DOI for article lookup, when not using BiBTeX.

v.



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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-04 Thread Anton Gladky
Hi, it is almost finished in r2315.

Several questions:

1. Two references were not added, what do we do with them?

B. Chareyre „Modélisation du comportement d'ouvrages composites
sol-géosynthétique par éléments discrets - Application aux tranchées
d'ancrage en tête de talus.”.  Grenoble University, PhD thesis, 2003 (in
french and using PFC2D, only relevant for those interested in calibration
procedures, quasistaticity or representativity of tests.)

 ?? J-F. Jerier, B. Harthong, V. Richefeu, B. Chareyre, D. Imbault, F.V
Donze and P. Doremus „ Modelling of high-density compaction of granular
materials by the discrete element method”. International Journal of Solids
and Structures, Powder technology (to be published) 2010.

2. The dates of conferences were lost, as there is no suitable field in
bibtex format, maybe note? Do we need those dates?
3. Syntax, how is it better to leave?
  a) year={2009},
  b) year = {2009},


Cheers,

Anton



2010/6/13 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz

 Hi,

 I started putting some articles to bibtex format (in
 doc/publications.bib); the advantage is that they can be cited very
 easily in any LaTeX-typed papers and can be also be referenced from
 Yade's documentation as well.

 The manual conversion is quite boring a work. Therefore I would like to
 ask people to put bibtex records of (theirs or not) items at
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications in doc/publications.bib and mark
 those that are done with ♠ on the wiki. We might (later) make the list
 structured (theses, articles, conference talks etc) as it is now, but it
 is not the priority.

 Secundo, please everybody UPLOAD FULLTEXT of your articles to the wiki.
 This can increase your citations considerably as people will just click
 on the link instead of searching journals. I think it is OK
 copyright-wise in most cases; if not, you can always upload a pre-print
 version, which you dfinitely have the right to do.

 In the bibtex file, use url={pdf} for fulltext and alway use
 doi={...} as well; that creates link to the publisher's page, which is
 also quite convenient.

 Thanks, Václav




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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-04 Thread Anton Gladky
Luc, what is that?

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yade-dev/yade/trunk/annotate/head:/doc/publications.bib#L530
#...@article{scholtes2009c,
#author = {Scholtès, L. and Chareyre, B. and Nicot, F. and Darve, F.},
#doi = {},
#issn = {1526-1506},
#journal = {Computer Modeling in Engineering and Sciences},
#month = {},
#number = {3},
#pages = {297--318},
#title = {Discrete modelling of capillary mechanisms in multi-phase
granular media},
#volume = {52},
#year = {2009}
#}

Do you need it?


2010/7/4 Anton Gladky gladky.an...@gmail.com

 Hi, it is almost finished in r2315.

 Several questions:

 1. Two references were not added, what do we do with them?

 B. Chareyre „Modélisation du comportement d'ouvrages composites
 sol-géosynthétique par éléments discrets - Application aux tranchées
 d'ancrage en tête de talus.”.  Grenoble University, PhD thesis, 2003 (in
 french and using PFC2D, only relevant for those interested in calibration
 procedures, quasistaticity or representativity of tests.)

  ?? J-F. Jerier, B. Harthong, V. Richefeu, B. Chareyre, D. Imbault, F.V
 Donze and P. Doremus „ Modelling of high-density compaction of granular
 materials by the discrete element method”. International Journal of Solids
 and Structures, Powder technology (to be published) 2010.

 2. The dates of conferences were lost, as there is no suitable field in
 bibtex format, maybe note? Do we need those dates?
 3. Syntax, how is it better to leave?
   a) year={2009},
   b) year = {2009},


 Cheers,

 Anton



 2010/6/13 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz

 Hi,

 I started putting some articles to bibtex format (in
 doc/publications.bib); the advantage is that they can be cited very
 easily in any LaTeX-typed papers and can be also be referenced from
 Yade's documentation as well.

 The manual conversion is quite boring a work. Therefore I would like to
 ask people to put bibtex records of (theirs or not) items at
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications in doc/publications.bib and mark
 those that are done with ♠ on the wiki. We might (later) make the list
 structured (theses, articles, conference talks etc) as it is now, but it
 is not the priority.

 Secundo, please everybody UPLOAD FULLTEXT of your articles to the wiki.
 This can increase your citations considerably as people will just click
 on the link instead of searching journals. I think it is OK
 copyright-wise in most cases; if not, you can always upload a pre-print
 version, which you dfinitely have the right to do.

 In the bibtex file, use url={pdf} for fulltext and alway use
 doi={...} as well; that creates link to the publisher's page, which is
 also quite convenient.

 Thanks, Václav




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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-04 Thread Václav Šmilauer
Anton, many thanks for having done this work!!


 1. Two references were not added, what do we do with them?
For bruno's PhD thesis, I would move it to references instead. The JF
Jerier's article marked with ??, I could not find it on
scholar.google.com and it seems to be identical (except of some details)
with another one.

 2. The dates of conferences were lost, as there is no suitable field
 in bibtex format, maybe note? Do we need those dates?

year={}, month={}..., day={}

(they will not appear in the sphinx output for now, but I will try to
fix that)

 3. Syntax, how is it better to leave?
   a) year={2009},
   b) year = {2009},
no difference at all.

I will try to figure out how to split references into several sections,
like at the wiki (articles, theses, conference stuff at least); I think
it will be necessary to put the to several files, but that will be fast
now.

Cheers, Vaclav


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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-04 Thread Anton Gladky
2010/7/4 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz

 Anton, many thanks for having done this work!!

 Thank you for this idea. It can be useful for many people.


  1. Two references were not added, what do we do with them?
 For bruno's PhD thesis, I would move it to references instead. The JF
 Jerier's article marked with ??, I could not find it on
 scholar.google.com and it seems to be identical (except of some details)
 with another one.

  2. The dates of conferences were lost, as there is no suitable field
  in bibtex format, maybe note? Do we need those dates?

 year={}, month={}..., day={}


 I did not find day-field in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX
Should I add it anyway?
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Re: [Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-07-04 Thread Anton Gladky
I think, you should add it.
Anyway, you can also delete it later from the trunk, if the journal will
against it.


2010/7/5 luc scholtes lscholte...@gmail.com

 Hi Anton,

 Yes, I was expecting a remark for that. Actually, this article is real and
 has been published, so, yes, in a certain way, I need it, but, on the
 other hand, a search on google scholar or any other science oriented
 research tool does not allow to find it... Only a search inside the
 concerned journal leads to this:

 http://www.techscience.com/cmes/2009/v52n3_index.html

 I would like to ask the journal before adding the reference to the list,
 but maybe I could add this link as a first step?

  Luc



 2010/7/5 Anton Gladky gladky.an...@gmail.com

  Luc, what is that?


 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yade-dev/yade/trunk/annotate/head:/doc/publications.bib#L530http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eyade-dev/yade/trunk/annotate/head:/doc/publications.bib#L530
 #...@article{scholtes2009c,
 #author = {Scholtès, L. and Chareyre, B. and Nicot, F. and Darve, F.},
 #doi = {},
 #issn = {1526-1506},
 #journal = {Computer Modeling in Engineering and Sciences},
 #month = {},
 #number = {3},
 #pages = {297--318},
 #title = {Discrete modelling of capillary mechanisms in multi-phase
 granular media},
 #volume = {52},
 #year = {2009}
 #}

 Do you need it?


 2010/7/4 Anton Gladky gladky.an...@gmail.com

 Hi, it is almost finished in r2315.

 Several questions:

 1. Two references were not added, what do we do with them?

 B. Chareyre „Modélisation du comportement d'ouvrages composites
 sol-géosynthétique par éléments discrets - Application aux tranchées
 d'ancrage en tête de talus.”.  Grenoble University, PhD thesis, 2003 (in
 french and using PFC2D, only relevant for those interested in calibration
 procedures, quasistaticity or representativity of tests.)

  ?? J-F. Jerier, B. Harthong, V. Richefeu, B. Chareyre, D. Imbault, F.V
 Donze and P. Doremus „ Modelling of high-density compaction of granular
 materials by the discrete element method”. International Journal of Solids
 and Structures, Powder technology (to be published) 2010.

 2. The dates of conferences were lost, as there is no suitable field in
 bibtex format, maybe note? Do we need those dates?
 3. Syntax, how is it better to leave?
   a) year={2009},
   b) year = {2009},


 Cheers,

 Anton



 2010/6/13 Václav Šmilauer eudo...@arcig.cz

 Hi,

 I started putting some articles to bibtex format (in
 doc/publications.bib); the advantage is that they can be cited very
 easily in any LaTeX-typed papers and can be also be referenced from
 Yade's documentation as well.

 The manual conversion is quite boring a work. Therefore I would like to
 ask people to put bibtex records of (theirs or not) items at
 https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications in doc/publications.bib and mark
 those that are done with ♠ on the wiki. We might (later) make the list
 structured (theses, articles, conference talks etc) as it is now, but it
 is not the priority.

 Secundo, please everybody UPLOAD FULLTEXT of your articles to the wiki.
 This can increase your citations considerably as people will just click
 on the link instead of searching journals. I think it is OK
 copyright-wise in most cases; if not, you can always upload a pre-print
 version, which you dfinitely have the right to do.

 In the bibtex file, use url={pdf} for fulltext and alway use
 doi={...} as well; that creates link to the publisher's page, which is
 also quite convenient.

 Thanks, Václav




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[Yade-dev] updating publications list

2010-06-13 Thread Václav Šmilauer
Hi,

I started putting some articles to bibtex format (in
doc/publications.bib); the advantage is that they can be cited very
easily in any LaTeX-typed papers and can be also be referenced from
Yade's documentation as well.

The manual conversion is quite boring a work. Therefore I would like to
ask people to put bibtex records of (theirs or not) items at
https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Publications in doc/publications.bib and mark
those that are done with ♠ on the wiki. We might (later) make the list
structured (theses, articles, conference talks etc) as it is now, but it
is not the priority.

Secundo, please everybody UPLOAD FULLTEXT of your articles to the wiki.
This can increase your citations considerably as people will just click
on the link instead of searching journals. I think it is OK
copyright-wise in most cases; if not, you can always upload a pre-print
version, which you dfinitely have the right to do.

In the bibtex file, use url={pdf} for fulltext and alway use
doi={...} as well; that creates link to the publisher's page, which is
also quite convenient.

Thanks, Václav




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