Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
Yeah, but I'd like to make it a bit more explicit; people seem to tag themselves and others quite a bit. And as others have suggested this might make an interesting way to find people. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Clay Shirky wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
Seems like a good way to be a griefer. -j On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Newton wrote: or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
Actually, people tagging other people is the basis of a reputation system isn't it? People tagging other people seems like a looser and wider version of an ebay rating systems or similar systems such as advogato peer ratings. A related app I built for a non profit (Nautilus Group www.nautilus.org) allowed them to decide how to create working groups when hosting seminars. Nautilus has a database of a large number of movers and shakers in nuclear non-proliferation and they host seminars where people solve real problems blocking progress in this and other areas. The database of people is annotated by Nautilus staffers with comments like A likes to work with B or C doesn't appear to get along with D and so on. They use these as hints to create groups in their seminars. This app is, in effect, an interpersonal tagging system. In this case the tags are supplied by third parties, but the tags carry approximately, the opinions of the primary actors. People tagging other people with opinion tags or impression tags seems to me to create a network of illusions. But we may choose to share our friends illusions and this may be useful, or not. Agreed that implementing this is likely to open a massive can of grief-worms. Nitin Borwankar. On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:02:07 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seems like a good way to be a griefer. -j On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Newton wrote: or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
If a system is implemented whereby a user can tag another user, there will no doubt be many people who will make it their first goal to tag every user with stinks. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/2/05, Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, people tagging other people is the basis of a reputation system isn't it? People tagging other people seems like a looser and wider version of an ebay rating systems or similar systems such as advogato peer ratings. A related app I built for a non profit (Nautilus Group www.nautilus.org) allowed them to decide how to create working groups when hosting seminars. Nautilus has a database of a large number of movers and shakers in nuclear non-proliferation and they host seminars where people solve real problems blocking progress in this and other areas. The database of people is annotated by Nautilus staffers with comments like A likes to work with B or C doesn't appear to get along with D and so on. They use these as hints to create groups in their seminars. This app is, in effect, an interpersonal tagging system. In this case the tags are supplied by third parties, but the tags carry approximately, the opinions of the primary actors. People tagging other people with opinion tags or impression tags seems to me to create a network of illusions. But we may choose to share our friends illusions and this may be useful, or not. Agreed that implementing this is likely to open a massive can of grief-worms. Nitin Borwankar. On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:02:07 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seems like a good way to be a griefer. -j On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Newton wrote: or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
QF8, That sounds a lot like John Dvorak's comment that you suck would be the most popular tag ever (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1819101,00.asp)! ~Scott~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quintus Frimschlowder VIII Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:47 PM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself? If a system is implemented whereby a user can tag another user, there will no doubt be many people who will make it their first goal to tag every user with stinks. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/2/05, Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, people tagging other people is the basis of a reputation system isn't it? People tagging other people seems like a looser and wider version of an ebay rating systems or similar systems such as advogato peer ratings. A related app I built for a non profit (Nautilus Group www.nautilus.org) allowed them to decide how to create working groups when hosting seminars. Nautilus has a database of a large number of movers and shakers in nuclear non-proliferation and they host seminars where people solve real problems blocking progress in this and other areas. The database of people is annotated by Nautilus staffers with comments like A likes to work with B or C doesn't appear to get along with D and so on. They use these as hints to create groups in their seminars. This app is, in effect, an interpersonal tagging system. In this case the tags are supplied by third parties, but the tags carry approximately, the opinions of the primary actors. People tagging other people with opinion tags or impression tags seems to me to create a network of illusions. But we may choose to share our friends illusions and this may be useful, or not. Agreed that implementing this is likely to open a massive can of grief-worms. Nitin Borwankar. On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:02:07 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seems like a good way to be a griefer. -j On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Newton wrote: or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] server move schedule and downtime
We will be moving to new servers on Sunday, June 5 starting at noon EST and hopefully completing by 4 PM. The site will be unavailable during this time. Updates will be posted to this blog during that time, and we will also have live status at #delicious on irc.del.icio.us. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
Well, I wouldn't say that I'm quite as cynical on the matter as he is. I think tagging in general and utilities like del.icio.us are just great (obviously, or I wouldn't be here). I am of the mind, however, that there are generally a few bad apples in every internet community, and that actions should generally be taken to keep them from messing things up. That's all. I also made the comment because of the brief chuckle that I got from thinking of someone actually taking the time to write a script that tags every user in the del.icio.us database with stinks. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/2/05, Breakall, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QF8, That sounds a lot like John Dvorak's comment that you suck would be the most popular tag ever (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1819101,00.asp)! ~Scott~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quintus Frimschlowder VIII Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:47 PM To: discuss@del.icio.us Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself? If a system is implemented whereby a user can tag another user, there will no doubt be many people who will make it their first goal to tag every user with stinks. -QF8 http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 6/2/05, Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, people tagging other people is the basis of a reputation system isn't it? People tagging other people seems like a looser and wider version of an ebay rating systems or similar systems such as advogato peer ratings. A related app I built for a non profit (Nautilus Group www.nautilus.org) allowed them to decide how to create working groups when hosting seminars. Nautilus has a database of a large number of movers and shakers in nuclear non-proliferation and they host seminars where people solve real problems blocking progress in this and other areas. The database of people is annotated by Nautilus staffers with comments like A likes to work with B or C doesn't appear to get along with D and so on. They use these as hints to create groups in their seminars. This app is, in effect, an interpersonal tagging system. In this case the tags are supplied by third parties, but the tags carry approximately, the opinions of the primary actors. People tagging other people with opinion tags or impression tags seems to me to create a network of illusions. But we may choose to share our friends illusions and this may be useful, or not. Agreed that implementing this is likely to open a massive can of grief-worms. Nitin Borwankar. On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:02:07 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seems like a good way to be a griefer. -j On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Newton wrote: or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
On 6/3/05, Scott Villarosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An example: Nobody has bookmarked www.mysiteaboutcars.com. You del it. Del suggests the tags cars, auto, personal and homepage in its 'recommended' tags. Thoughts? If delicious had a recommendation system for untagged pages, that would be nice. Well, actually it may not be as useful as you think. Sometimes I tag my bookmarks in another language. Will this proposal extend to other languages? Even so, if the recommendations disappear after the first person tags it, then this feature would have merit. But, how would you propose getting the recommendations in the first place? What algorithms can succinctly summarize a home page? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
In the NeuroGrid system I used to extract all the words from a page, remove stopwords and then present the most frequently occuring terms to the user as tag possibilities. More sophisticated approaches might use TFIDF or something like that. The main problem with this, and indeed any other approach that involves parsing the page in question, is the time it takes to get the page and parse it. The parsing usually won't take so long, but there will be a few seconds delay to grab the page, and this can be a little frustrating to users who are expecting a quick turnaround such as they currently get with del CHEERS SAM Clifford Caoile wrote: But, how would you propose getting the recommendations in the first place? What algorithms can succinctly summarize a home page? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Recommended tags based on a site's URL
I didn't like the idea at first, because when you make it easy by suggesting keywords, people will just be lazy and take them, instead of contributing to the folksonomy. But I liked it better when I realize it's kinda similiar to the Statistically Improbable Phrases feature amazon recently introduced. Example: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805074562/qid=1117760057/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9498151-3994211?v=glances=booksn=507846#sipbody You could pull out the statistically improbable phrases from the web page being tagged. -ofer Sam Joseph wrote: In the NeuroGrid system I used to extract all the words from a page, remove stopwords and then present the most frequently occuring terms to the user as tag possibilities. More sophisticated approaches might use TFIDF or something like that. The main problem with this, and indeed any other approach that involves parsing the page in question, is the time it takes to get the page and parse it. The parsing usually won't take so long, but there will be a few seconds delay to grab the page, and this can be a little frustrating to users who are expecting a quick turnaround such as they currently get with del CHEERS SAM Clifford Caoile wrote: But, how would you propose getting the recommendations in the first place? What algorithms can succinctly summarize a home page? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
