Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-29 Thread Tobias Schlitt
Hi Walter, On 11/18/2010 09:51 AM, Walter Rafelsberger wrote: On 11/17/2010 03:58 PM, Jerome Renard wrote: However, for a custom app, it does not make sense to bundle all Zeta Components if you only want to use e.g. Graph or Mail (which are 2 of the most used components). For inspiration

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-29 Thread Patrick ALLAERT
2010/11/29 Manuel Pichler m...@manuel-pichler.de: Hi Toby, Am Montag, den 29.11.2010, 11:21 +0100 schrieb Tobias Schlitt: [...] On 11/17/2010 03:58 PM, Jerome Renard wrote: However, for a custom app, it does not make sense to bundle all Zeta Components if you only want to use e.g. Graph

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-29 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, Manuel Pichler wrote: Am Montag, den 29.11.2010, 11:21 +0100 schrieb Tobias Schlitt: [...] On 11/17/2010 03:58 PM, Jerome Renard wrote: However, for a custom app, it does not make sense to bundle all Zeta Components if you only want to use e.g. Graph or Mail

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-26 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Tobias Schlitt wrote: I have studied the guidelines for releases in the ASF and tried to make up a release process document for us. Please find it attached for discussion. You can also find it in our SVN under docs/release_process.txt My comments: Component

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-26 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010, Tobias Schlitt wrote: On 11/07/2010 11:55 AM, Thomas Ernest wrote: Here comes questions : A/ What is your opinion about the proposal automate full package release ? B/ What are advantages of separating full package release process from component release process ?

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-26 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Tobias Schlitt wrote: Don't get me wrong, I insist of keeping our PEAR channel as the primary distribution way. Absolutely. Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-26 Thread Derick Rethans
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Tobias Schlitt wrote: as far as I can see there are two major points in this discussion: 1. Providing updates for single components in short time frames could bring people to an update hell, when they need to download and upgrade some components every week. They don't

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-19 Thread James Pic
Hi all On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Gaetano Giunta giunta.gaet...@gmail.comwrote: otoh: would we have such info available for existing components or would it be so hard to extract it in a precise and useful way that it would not be done anyway (I mean apart from the obvious

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-19 Thread Ole Marius Smestad
On 18. nov. 2010, at 07.44, Tobias Schlitt wrote: Hi guys, On 11/17/2010 03:58 PM, Jerome Renard wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Gaetano Giunta giunta.gaet...@gmail.com wrote: [...] But think about this: why is eZ Publish bundling the whole of the ZetaC when it only uses

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-18 Thread James Pic
Hi all, I'm not qualified to participate actively to the current discussions, although i'm reading it all. However, i'd like to share how it works with python/pinax projects because it might inspire you. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: Hi Max, On

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-18 Thread Maxime Thomas
Another point that has maybe already been discussed but how do we manage components in the SVN, do we have separate tags and branches for the set of components and each component ? My point is to chose the easiest way to deliver things : if each package must be done manually, it increases the

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-18 Thread Tobias Schlitt
Hi James, On 11/18/2010 10:04 AM, James Pic wrote: I'm not qualified to participate actively to the current discussions, although i'm reading it all. hoo? Why not? However, i'd like to share how it works with python/pinax projects because it might inspire you. Any kind of input is highly

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-17 Thread Jerome Renard
Hi Tobias; On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Tobias Schlitt tob...@schlitt.info wrote: Hi, I have studied the guidelines for releases in the ASF and tried to make up a release process document for us. Please find it attached for discussion. You can also find it in our SVN under        

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-17 Thread Jerome Renard
Hi Gaetano, On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Gaetano Giunta giunta.gaet...@gmail.com wrote: [...] But think about this: why is eZ Publish bundling the whole of the ZetaC when it only uses a couple of components? Simply because that was the easiest (and quickest) solution when I wrote the build

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-17 Thread Jerome Renard
Hi Maxime, On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Maxime Thomas maxime.t...@gmail.com wrote: [...] And honestly, I cannot see the problem of downloading all even if you don't use some parts. Who can do the more can do the less. Yes, but less is more :D Ok --- [] -- Jérôme Renard

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-17 Thread Tobias Schlitt
Hi guys, On 11/17/2010 03:58 PM, Jerome Renard wrote: On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Gaetano Giunta giunta.gaet...@gmail.com wrote: [...] But think about this: why is eZ Publish bundling the whole of the ZetaC when it only uses a couple of components? Simply because that was the

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-16 Thread Gaetano Giunta
Maxime Thomas wrote: Sound strange, if we look at what is done elsewhere : - JQuery UI : shared version number - Zend : shared version number - Former eZComponents : both version number also YUI The shared version number implies a kind of packaged application. Else it can be difficult to

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-16 Thread Patrick ALLAERT
2010/11/16 Gaetano Giunta giunta.gaet...@gmail.com: Maxime Thomas wrote: Sound strange, if we look at what is done elsewhere : - JQuery UI : shared version number - Zend : shared version number - Former eZComponents : both version number also YUI The shared version number implies a kind

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-16 Thread Gaetano Giunta
Patrick ALLAERT wrote: 2010/11/16 Gaetano Giuntagiunta.gaet...@gmail.com: Maxime Thomas wrote: Sound strange, if we look at what is done elsewhere : - JQuery UI : shared version number - Zend : shared version number - Former eZComponents : both version number also YUI The shared version

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-16 Thread Maxime Thomas
Why not, but if I want a set of components that includes tiein, how can I do ? Do I have to download each components separately ? My opinion is maybe to get both version numbers as it was done fore ezc, a version number for the set and a version number for each components. By this way, everyone

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-16 Thread Tobias Schlitt
Hi guys, as far as I can see there are two major points in this discussion: 1. Providing updates for single components in short time frames could bring people to an update hell, when they need to download and upgrade some components every week. 2. The clear target of Zeta to provide components

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-11 Thread Tobias Schlitt
Hi Thomas, On 11/07/2010 11:55 AM, Thomas Ernest wrote: Le 04/11/2010 17:28, Tobias Schlitt a écrit : docs/release_process.txt It is a very interesting and useful synthesis. Thank you. The document summarizes the requirements for releases roughly and then tries to relealize these in

Re: [zeta-dev] Proposal: Release process

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas Ernest
Hi Tobias, Le 04/11/2010 17:28, Tobias Schlitt a écrit : docs/release_process.txt It is a very interesting and useful synthesis. Thank you. The document summarizes the requirements for releases roughly and then tries to relealize these in a release process specific to Zeta. There are