Re: [zeta-dev] The Piwi Framework
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: But it seems, there is less interest. Don't know whats wrong, but it seems the PHP world is overloaded with frameworks. It seems, even a high quality framework as Zeta does suffer from this fact. In general, PHP has too many frameworks, and too few reusable libraries. I think for AZC it would be better to position itself as a managed collection of high-quality libraries than to try and position as a framework. After all, Zeta components can already be used outside of Zeta-managed framework code (for example, both Midgard MVC and Symfony2 have integrations with the Workflows component). Which brings me to another point I wanted to take up. How about packaging and distributing AZC through the new Composer system? That would make the Zeta components quite accessible and easy to depend on: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/composer_solves_the_php_code-sharing_problem/ Christian /Henri -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Jabber: henri.berg...@gmail.com Microblogs: @bergie
Re: [zeta-dev] The Piwi Framework
And what about pear ? pear install zeta It is well-know, easy to use and you can have your custom depot. On 04/11/2011 11:02, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Henri Bergiushenri.berg...@iki.fi wrote: On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: But it seems, there is less interest. Don't know whats wrong, but it seems the PHP world is overloaded with frameworks. It seems, even a high quality framework as Zeta does suffer from this fact. In general, PHP has too many frameworks, and too few reusable libraries. I think for AZC it would be better to position itself as a managed collection of high-quality libraries than to try and position as a framework. After all, Zeta components can already be used outside of Zeta-managed framework code (for example, both Midgard MVC and Symfony2 have integrations with the Workflows component). +1 A similar project is commons.apache.org. It works very well. Which brings me to another point I wanted to take up. How about packaging and distributing AZC through the new Composer system? That would make the Zeta components quite accessible and easy to depend on: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/composer_solves_the_php_code-sharing_problem/ Sounds very interesting. Will follow this project Cheers Christian Christian /Henri -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Jabber: henri.berg...@gmail.com Microblogs: @bergie
Re: [zeta-dev] The Piwi Framework
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Fabrice PICCINALI f.piccin...@fazae.com wrote: And what about pear ? pear install zeta It is well-know, easy to use and you can have your custom depot. PEAR is ok for end users, but quite a pain for developers. It also assumes a global installation of packages, while Composer installs everything into your project. Way easier when you have multiple projects on a machine. Composer also generates an autoloader for you. -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Jabber: henri.berg...@gmail.com Microblogs: @bergie
Re: [zeta-dev] The Piwi Framework
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Fabrice PICCINALI f.piccin...@fazae.com wrote: And what about pear ? pear install zeta It is well-know, easy to use and you can have your custom depot. I always have problems with pear and would have no problem if it would go over Styx - so sooner, so better. On 04/11/2011 11:02, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Henri Bergiushenri.berg...@iki.fi wrote: On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: But it seems, there is less interest. Don't know whats wrong, but it seems the PHP world is overloaded with frameworks. It seems, even a high quality framework as Zeta does suffer from this fact. In general, PHP has too many frameworks, and too few reusable libraries. I think for AZC it would be better to position itself as a managed collection of high-quality libraries than to try and position as a framework. After all, Zeta components can already be used outside of Zeta-managed framework code (for example, both Midgard MVC and Symfony2 have integrations with the Workflows component). +1 A similar project is commons.apache.org. It works very well. Which brings me to another point I wanted to take up. How about packaging and distributing AZC through the new Composer system? That would make the Zeta components quite accessible and easy to depend on: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/composer_solves_the_php_code-sharing_problem/ Sounds very interesting. Will follow this project Cheers Christian Christian /Henri -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Jabber: henri.berg...@gmail.com Microblogs: @bergie -- http://www.grobmeier.de
